Just announced. Quiet Auto-focus in video mode!?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/canon/announcements/run-rebel-run-new-canon-eos-rebel-t4i-dslr

Will the new 60D have video auto-focus too? I was going to buy a T2i. Now I have to think it over. Those flexible cables on a "rotary" LCD only last for 5 years.

I was hours away from picking up a T3i, I am now waiting to weigh the options. It is about a $300.00 upgrade from the T3i, not too shabby. Or, the T3i's and T2i's will drop slightly in price.

Really like the addition of the auto focus, the recording times, and swivel screen for sure.

What in the heck is Canon thinking? Upgrade the MK III then come out with better features on the cheap plastic body. Must be radiation poising in Japan that has messed up their thought processes.

lol (@ last post)

I believe this T4i is a move to grab more market share from Panasonic's GH2 and to compete with other DSRL that offer auto-focus during video like Sony's A65 and A77. I wonder when will it be available on stores.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2s_wSFwRY

Already planning my upgrade. I just shot a wedding and I'm using the profit from that plus selling my T2i to get the T4i.

I think I'll buy this camera first and then start saving for a Blackmagic Cinema Camera.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sOBGbvm3I


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dx5PfgWM-M&feature=related

I wonder what are going to be the new changes on the 60D.

The big questions on the T4i for me...

Do we now have access to intermediate/native ISOs? Can it be programmed to use the shutter button to start recording footage? Will Magic Lantern be made available for it?

Intermediate ISOs:
100 200 400 800 1600 3200 6400 are available in movie mode.
100 200 400 800 1600 3200 6400 12800 are available in still mode.

Can it be programmed to use the shutter button to start recording footage?
Not so far as I can tell

Quiet autofocus in video is relative to the lens I have not purchased the 18-135 lens that was designed for the T4i so I am not getting much quiet. That purchase will be coming a a week or so.

My big question is if it has same or better video quality than the T3i with that new sensor.

Canon still advertises this one as an entry level camera. I'm sure the menu is still messed up and more difficult to navigate. Seems that is one thing Canon does to downgrade the plastic cameras for the pro level.

Is that your humble opinion or just an assumption?

From Canon press release. Yes Jason it's still plastic. Not sealed against dust or moisture. It is smaller and not as easy for a big hand to grip. Canon says it's the most "consumer-friendly" dslr to date.
Canon states: "Our Rebel line of cameras bridges the gap between the casual photographer and someone looking to advance their photography ..."

Canon says "The EOS Rebel T4i helps novice photographers capture great images and video."

The Canon reps at NAB stated that one thing Canon does is make the menu a little more difficult or taking more steps on the consumer cameras than the Pro grade.

No Jason it's not my humble opinion or an assumption ... it's Canon and their international sales program. There still is a difference and a big one between the Rebel plastic cameras and the more Pro grade. A little reading up before questioning will help keep things peaceful here on the forum ;)

So would I buy one. Yes if I was using the Rebel line of cameras I would definitely upgrade. I also would definitely not sell a 5D MKII, 5D MKIII or a 7D to buy and use the Rebel grade camera. Even though the electronics are similar or even as good; the basic menu system and construction is not what I personally use. This part is MHO.

Making the T4i as well as prior models dust proof and even moisture proof is not difficult. Delkin makes some nice silicone based slip on (tight) rubbery covers. I have yet to have any issues with dust, even prior to having installed the covers. Considering I live in the desert and we have had several haboobs (dust storms - but I like the term haboob because it sounds naughty), I have still not encountered any issues whatsoever. I for one prefer to spend money on glass as opposed to bodies. I have tried now 4 several years to justify getting higher end bodies and have yet to do so. It is just not necessary. I sell high end fine-art photos from these cameras all day long - so the sensor as far as the eye can tell is just dandy on the "consumer" or "pro-sumer" class cameras. It's not the camera that makes a difference, but rather the person behind it. IMHO

So, what is a good all around glass for a T2i?

70-200 f/2.8 IS L. This is my favorite for the 5D II/III and 7D.

I have a question: What happens if I take a lens for T4i and use it on 5D 2?

My favorites are 50mm 1.4 prime (original canon - first version all metal body), 10-20mm ultra wide (sigma), and a 70-200mm L series zoom with 2x conversion and a 300mm IS (canon) - I also once in a while do experiments with alternate glass from the old days as well as some of the fun stuff available today. Was considering Lens Baby but I can do all of those things in post with software I have.

@vader... +1 on the "OG Canon" 50mm, and Sigma 10-20 :) - just picked up the 50.

Today I will start playing around with a T2i for a few weeks. Then I'll decide if I go for the T4i.

Can someone please answer this question:
What happens if I take a lens for T4i and use it on 5D 2? Will it work?

^ No. But you can work it the other way around....so an L series that works on a 5D will work on a T4i

Actually the functionality of the STM (STM Lens Support for Quiet AF - the new series specifically for the T4i) physically will still fit, but just won't have the auto focus function working on other models from what I have read so far. Canon of course does not recommend doing that as they prefer you buy more lenses.

Ah yes the new STM lenses, I hadn't thought about that. I'm quite happy with manual focus on L series glass.

A friend of mine got the T4i and I spent some time playing with it yesterday. Very nice camera, much better than my T2i. Still has a screwed up BIOS with on intermediate ISOs, etc... but Magic Lantern is working on the T4i in beta, so as soon as I can buy one myself, I'll upgrade to Magic Lantern to get the features I need.

The auto-focus while shooting video with an STM lens works, but it's not perfect. It takes some getting used to and you REALLY want to watch your focus points setting. I can see this feature as being very useful for a documentary I'm shooting.

BTW, I rented the Canon 70-200mm F/2.8L IS lens to shoot a 4-day music festival and OMG! it's the best lens I've ever used. If anyone needs organs or knows someone who can use a kidney or partial liver, let me know.... I want to get this lens.

What I'd like to know is if the 4 is any better with video quality. Does it still "line skip" in video mode?

I second that question....did they fix the aliasing like they did on the 5D mk III?

"did they fix the aliasing like they did on the 5D mk III" - Reviews say "no" and also say that the video quality looks the same as the 7D.

If Mosaic Engineering is working on filters for the T2i and T3i, they will certainly built one for the T4i.

I'm still waiting for David Cubanski to get back to me on the Mosaic filter for the 7D which is taking a while to get to market - so It might take a while and I wonder how the image actually degrades. It would be good to see a comparison of the 5D MkIII and the mk II with the mosaic filter.

No, the video quality is the same as the T2i/T3i. Still uses line skipping.

I am experimenting with a T2i which are currently selling for $600. I am trying to figure out if the autofocus is really necessary for stock.

Never use AF for anything.

I never use auto anything.

I use cruise control and enjoy candy.

Does autoeroticism count?

I'm loving this camera :)

I sold my T2i and got a T4i. I was going to just get the T3i, but I got lucky and a friend of a friend had a brand new T4i kit he was willing to sell for $100 more than a brand new T3i kit, so I took the plunge.

So far, I'm not disappointed. The AF while shooting is crap for the most part, although you can do some interesting rack focusing using the touchscreen.

Using the touch screen is SOOO much faster and easier than the buttons on my T2i. So overall productivity has increased while out shooting.

And I love that all my batteries and accessories from my T2i all still work with my T4i. Overall a decent upgrade.

ps. I got to play with a GH2 a couple of days ago and THAT is how auto-focus on a DSLR should work while shooting footage. Fast, quiet and accurate.

In 2 weeks I will buy the T4i (body only). I hope its worth it since the T3i (body only) is currenly priced at $500. Main reason for buying the T4i is continuous video recording over the 12 minute restriction that the T3i has. I need that feature for interviews. I hope it does not overheats.

It does not overheat, and a T3i w/ML installed will do the same job without overheating.

I have read that it takes from 2 to 3 seconds in a T3i for ML to re-establish recording. Two to three seconds lost is a lot of time in an interview or during a concert. I understand that the T4i continues recording with no interruption or lost frames. I am hopeful that there will be a ML version for the T4i by December 2013.

Correct... It takes 1 sec. for the T3i - the T4i is seamless.

The T4i will overheat, but it's not nearly as bad as the T2i was. In moderate temperature, it works without overheating, but if the ambient temp is high, it will.

I guess they all will but, I've stressed the hell out of mine in the last 45 days, one of which was a wedding that my shooting day started at 8:30am at the brides home, and ended at 1:00am the next morning after the reception.

•There was NO airconditioning at the brides home temp 86 degrees +

• A/C in the Catholic church was almost non existent - temp inside 88 degrees+

• Formal pictures on Church grounds temp 104 degrees+ in the shade.

• Formal pictures at reception location outdoors 106 degrees+ in the shade.

The only place that was comfortable the entire shoot was inside the reception venue at 72 degrees.

I worked the hell out of the bodies both stills (RAW) and video, not once did I have an issue with the heat, on the hottest day on record for LA on Sept 15th.

I have also shot 2 interviews in the last 10 days - no issues with extended recording / heat.

I don't think the "overheating" is necessarily a "physical temperature" issue, but could also happen in certain color temperature situations.

While shooing the following shot in a very comfortable A/C'ed room with very bright sunlight as my primary light source with room fluorescents mixed in, my T3i would "overheat" within 3 seconds.

I was able to get it to record only after changing the white balance and adjusting my shutter speed to cut down the amount of sunlight exposing the shot.

Go figure.

I wrote to BHphoto to inquire about "Black Friday" specials. They did not know if the T4i was going to be on sale. Nevertheless, "Black Friday" and "Black Monday" are so close that I am going to wait 4 more weeks. No hurry, my T2i w/o ML works fine.

Now that the T2i has been discontinued and with the announcement of the 6D, the price of the T3i body has dropped to $499 retail. I'm seeing near new T2i's on eBay for $200 to $250. I think I might get one as a second body.

I should have purchase my T4i before Sandy. Now I do not know if BHPhoto and its inventory was damaged with salt water!

My my... I am sure that eventually they as others will recover. I am also sure that this is not their major concern right now.

So now the T2i and T3i are disposable cameras like the GoPro ;) If they get damaged ok well not much of a loss.

Who wants to buy my lightly used 7D?

Disposable? Just because it dosen't say 7D or 5DMkll - hardly so.

But thanks... I sold my 7D 8mos. ago :)

$200 to $400 cameras are disposable in that I dare do things with them I would not do with a $2,000 plus camera. Not saying they are poor quality, but to get a once in a lifetime capture I can take a much bigger risk ;)

There was no way I was strapping my DSLR on a car like I did my GoPro. But at $200, Don is right. The T2i is a "disposable DSLR". I'd be more willing to take risks with it.

BTW, used 7D's are selling for $700-$750 on eBay and $800 on my local Craigslist.

yup... same here in L.A. I was lucky to get $950.00 - it was in flawless condition, still had the "new car smell" LOL!

Looks like they are around $1400 new now. Correction just found a new Body only for $1269.00

Is there any difference in iso performance between 7D and 650d?
I know it has a Digic 5 processor, but after reading few reviews .. it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Anyone have any experience on mounting cams on a small plane (lower wing type) 4 seater. The pilot and I are looking into this for aerial footage. We are thinking using GoPro's with suction (pump-able not the gopro ones) cups.