Miraizon being bought
RekindlePhoto
17 Jan 2015 16:17
Just received an e-mail say: "After nearly 12 years in business, Miraizon has agreed to be acquired by a large company." It went on to say that by the end of Jan they would not be able to do any customer support. The stated that the new large owner may keep some of the products.
So ProRes for PC may be in question. Did Apple buy them to kill the product? Did Adobe buy them to use ProRes in their products?
All I got from it is they are saying goodbye.
So ProRes for PC may be in question. Did Apple buy them to kill the product? Did Adobe buy them to use ProRes in their products?
All I got from it is they are saying goodbye.
JHDT_Productions
17 Jan 2015 18:51
Interesting. Glad I bought the ProRes plugin while they still have it.
I'll continue using it until something else better comes along or I convert to Mac. (Not likely)
I'll continue using it until something else better comes along or I convert to Mac. (Not likely)
gcrook
17 Jan 2015 19:07
Regardless,the prores codec has been reverse engineered ages ago,there are so many solutions right now for prores on windows.
You can always try cinec(stellar but very expensive for the high end versions),prhelper(this is what i use) ,a huge bunch of free frontends and guis for ffmbc,and so many other programs and suites that i forget right now.
Who cares for miraizon?
You can always try cinec(stellar but very expensive for the high end versions),prhelper(this is what i use) ,a huge bunch of free frontends and guis for ffmbc,and so many other programs and suites that i forget right now.
Who cares for miraizon?
Mizamook
18 Jan 2015 03:07
I don't. Their codec sux.
Sorry, but it's true.
Unless you like blur.
Sorry, but it's true.
Unless you like blur.
dapoopta
18 Jan 2015 05:32
Miz. what are you talking about? I use it with absolutely no issues and have done some side by side with apple pro res with no difference, same settings one out of pc and one out of mac.
Mizamook
18 Jan 2015 05:40
I spent days exhaustively testing it. Compared to PJPEG, with the exception of the occasional banding issue, which is truly rare, Miraizon ProRes 422, 422HQ, and 4444 look noticeably softer in detail compared to the same render (from ANY source) compared to PJPEG.
I sent png and JPEG still frame grabs to several people - of note, the only person who wasn't astounded by the difference was the guy from Miraizon, who claimed he could not see it at all, in fact, claimed (I paraphrase) that "editors don't worry about such detail anyway since it will likely be lost in conversion and delivery in highly compressed delivery codecs"
WTF?
I'd be happy to re-render some stuff and send you a few stills. Let me know. I'd sure be happy to have someone show me I'm wrong. Really.
I sent png and JPEG still frame grabs to several people - of note, the only person who wasn't astounded by the difference was the guy from Miraizon, who claimed he could not see it at all, in fact, claimed (I paraphrase) that "editors don't worry about such detail anyway since it will likely be lost in conversion and delivery in highly compressed delivery codecs"
WTF?
I'd be happy to re-render some stuff and send you a few stills. Let me know. I'd sure be happy to have someone show me I'm wrong. Really.
Mizamook
18 Jan 2015 05:43
On additional note, FS700 RAW to HD ProResHQ on the 7Q+ looks freaking astounding. As in what the hell was I doing shooting to AVCHD before this? Seldom do I see such impressive improvement. Don't have to crop in to see it either. It's in-your-face badass.
Almost getting somewhere, huh?
Almost getting somewhere, huh?
dapoopta
18 Jan 2015 05:47
Did you do tests against real prores? maybe pjpg is better than real prores?
RekindlePhoto
18 Jan 2015 05:51
Ya but you are now comparing nearly $9,000 setup versus $1,900. A small handheld versus a arm full of connected equipment. If there wasn't a difference then no one would buy the $9K system.
When I look at my 4K frame grab on P5 they look very sharp and clear. Far superior to the Canon 5D MK II / III HD.
When I look at my 4K frame grab on P5 they look very sharp and clear. Far superior to the Canon 5D MK II / III HD.
Mizamook
18 Jan 2015 05:58
I sent the test results to a person who has worked with real prores on both ends of the circuit - creation and editing. He was aghast.
Unless I am somehow screwing something up, yeah, it's not that PJPEG is better, it's that Miraizon sux.
Test: Take some footage, best high detail with fairly clear sharp lines and patterns. Render to PJPEG at 90%. Render to Miraizon 422HQ (middle chance - the 422 is so horrible yo'd have to be blind not to see it)
Take the two rendered clips and put them as layers into the project you rendered from, frame matched, so when you solo one track all you see is the change.
Observe at various magnifications.
Let me know.
I ended up spending a good part of several days going through and re-rendering stuff I had rendered to Miraizon back into PJPEG.
Unless I am somehow screwing something up, yeah, it's not that PJPEG is better, it's that Miraizon sux.
Test: Take some footage, best high detail with fairly clear sharp lines and patterns. Render to PJPEG at 90%. Render to Miraizon 422HQ (middle chance - the 422 is so horrible yo'd have to be blind not to see it)
Take the two rendered clips and put them as layers into the project you rendered from, frame matched, so when you solo one track all you see is the change.
Observe at various magnifications.
Let me know.
I ended up spending a good part of several days going through and re-rendering stuff I had rendered to Miraizon back into PJPEG.