Anyone shooting Prores RAW?

DW_Stock 7 May 2019 02:01
Do you like it? Is it worth it? I just got an FS5 and it could use a little more dynamic range. (Also, I tried to search for answers, but the search is down for me.)

Edit: I totally forgot to ask the biggest question I have. So, if you color grade your Prores RAW footage and upload it, will the preview be graded? (And the whole point is that the customer can change it, right?)

temptation 7 May 2019 06:17
Are P5 accept pro res raw as a codec like red files or you must convert to .mov, mp4 or similar?
Mizamook 7 May 2019 06:27
Likely have to convert. Don't upload flat footage, or, if you do, upload a nice pretty version as well. Use ProResHQ. Keep the original ungraded version in case a customer asks for it. They will likely never. But still.

I wish I had ProResRAW. I use the FS700 with Odyssey 7Q+, and it shoots C-DNG, or ProResHQ ... which is usually more than fine for what I do. And Convergent Design, when I asked recently, had no interest in adopting ProResRAW. dang. I also shoot with Inspire 2/X5s, and that is RAW CDNG only ... the upgrade to the X7 is expensive, but that shoots ProResRAW. From examples I've seen, it's badass.

From my point of view/opinion: The main point is that YOU capture wider dynamic range, and can make better clips for our end users. I was just processing some Inspire 2 footage, and carelessly was working with the proxy (it shoots UHD h.264 proxies) and wondering the whole time "Why is this footage so "bad?" Well, it was me .. when I imported the Cinema DNG folder things got a lot better fast. And when I compared the resulting output file, there was no comparison.

ProResRAW would give the same latitude and resolution, but without the RAW headache and file size data pile-up.
IT4ALL 7 May 2019 14:20
Mizamook the X7 is an awesome camera:) worst part is the file size on the 6k footage :(
Mizamook 7 May 2019 19:35
Niar you are shooting 6K ProResRAW? So it's still huge? Compared to the RAW 5.2K? I've got a stack of 12 2 and 3 TB drives I'm always swapping out and it's driving me nuts!

I'd have gone to X7 but the $9000 of proprietary lens? Yikes.
IT4ALL 7 May 2019 20:46
Yes shooting 6K ProResRAW, its crazy big files, only have 2. 512gb disks for it so need more
the lenses are expansive but bought the all of them :)
temptation 8 May 2019 09:10
P5 must have pro res raw collection in near future, because it is future.. So exclusive pro res raw content only on pond5 now!! :) Later I will upgrade to insipre2 and x7.. haha..
pvreditor 8 May 2019 13:35
I hate to douse flames burning for higher quality, but if there is a perceived advantage to having Pond5 list clips in a specific format, then people will simply transcode their usual stuff into that preferred format. In other words, if it is perceived that ProRes RAW is the most desirable format, people will simply transcode their cellphone video to that format and upload it. P5'ers already take 20Mbps MPEG footage and convert it to ProRes for upload, so you can't be really sure of the quality of an existing ProRes file. Identifying a new preferred format will just give gamers a new way to game the system.
Mizamook 8 May 2019 19:33
It's not gaming the system at all. It's called an "intermediate codec" and is commonly used to transcode from heavily-compressed CPU-hungry files to a more editor/stream friendly codec. It does not change the actual "quality" of the clip, rather, it retains the information that is there, for better or worse.

Also, if one color corrects their footage, it is a crying shame to re-compress it - rather it is better to have your work preserved more accurately. Subsequent color work/keying, tracking, etc. will have higher rates of success with a better codec, especially since those who do not know about this are more likely to encode to a low bit rate h.264 and introduce even more artifacts and noise.

Currently though, I don't see any way to encode TO ProResRAW .... it's just that some cameras/recorders are capable of capturing in that codec, and if someone were to shoot in a non-flat profile, it might be cool to for some buyers, but I don't think it would necessarily require an entire category of its own.
ODesignsX 8 May 2019 19:56
@pvreditor: save your breath. It's a losing battle.
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