74 songs and only 144 views after 1 year
CrestwoodMusic
3 Dec 2017 18:33
With 74 full songs, I have only 144 product views after 365 days. The product with the most views only has 20. There have been ZERO sales since June, which I suppose would be the case because no one even sees this music. I have what I believe to be pretty good metadata that worked well on other sites. If I had a ton of views and no sales, then it would be the music that's the problem. But I doubt it since this music as sold elsewhere. I'm just not even being heard here.
Have we reached that dreaded point of over saturation beyond repair, or is anyone here still getting a lot of regular views and sales?
Have we reached that dreaded point of over saturation beyond repair, or is anyone here still getting a lot of regular views and sales?
JHDT_Productions
3 Dec 2017 20:25
I think you're missing the larger picture.
You have 74 songs when the site has over 600,000. The question you should be asking is why would someone find yours over others.
It's the same song (pun intended) I hear all the time on the video end.
To get consistent views and sales you need to produce a ton of great material.
The part that your songs are sold elsewhere is also what I hear a lot.
You're up against different competition and buyers. Don't compare one site to another.
You have 74 songs when the site has over 600,000. The question you should be asking is why would someone find yours over others.
It's the same song (pun intended) I hear all the time on the video end.
To get consistent views and sales you need to produce a ton of great material.
The part that your songs are sold elsewhere is also what I hear a lot.
You're up against different competition and buyers. Don't compare one site to another.
CrestwoodMusic
4 Dec 2017 03:43
I'm asking about views and sales, not looking for commons sense advice everyone already knows. If many people have seen a big drop in views and sales, or never really had that many views, then perhaps the site has become too big to be a moneymaker for most composers. Pond5 is concerned about their bottom line and I'm sure they like having tons of music. But that can be bad for us and it doesn't have to be that way for Pond5 to still do high sales.
There are sites that archive non-selling files that are over a certain age. My feeling is that if we've hit that magic number, maybe it's time to suggest to Pond5 that they start thinking about archiving out-dated non-sellers so that newer material will be seen in the searches. That also makes less work for the customers as there is less weeding to do and it will have zero affect on sales since the files in question have not been selling for long periods. For example, if there are songs here for five years or so with no sales, they're just clogging up the system. Pond5 has been around nearly 12 years now and it's likely that there are a lot of very old non-sellers on board.
You don't think comparing sites is meaningful. I do because it's all the same market. I'm on another site many customers (probably many of the same customers) and tons of music, and have 120,870 views in just 4 months with only 45 songs posted here. Now to me, that is a huge difference from the 144 in a year I have here. The other site has less than 600K songs (although not all of those 600K here are full songs, some are alternative versions of the same song, others are just loops), and that is exactly my point regarding this site being over saturated.
On the issue of output in stock music, of course "tons of great material" will get many views and sales due to volume. But that's far from being necessary to get views and sales. The number one seller on another site with nearly 400K songs only has ten more pieces of music than me with a total of just 84 songs. The key is getting views on good music, not just how many pieces of music you have. Usually, you can get good views through accurate and complete metadata (tags) as long as it described material in demand. But, when a search engine is bogged down with tons of old music that isn't selling, that affects everyone.
There are sites that archive non-selling files that are over a certain age. My feeling is that if we've hit that magic number, maybe it's time to suggest to Pond5 that they start thinking about archiving out-dated non-sellers so that newer material will be seen in the searches. That also makes less work for the customers as there is less weeding to do and it will have zero affect on sales since the files in question have not been selling for long periods. For example, if there are songs here for five years or so with no sales, they're just clogging up the system. Pond5 has been around nearly 12 years now and it's likely that there are a lot of very old non-sellers on board.
You don't think comparing sites is meaningful. I do because it's all the same market. I'm on another site many customers (probably many of the same customers) and tons of music, and have 120,870 views in just 4 months with only 45 songs posted here. Now to me, that is a huge difference from the 144 in a year I have here. The other site has less than 600K songs (although not all of those 600K here are full songs, some are alternative versions of the same song, others are just loops), and that is exactly my point regarding this site being over saturated.
On the issue of output in stock music, of course "tons of great material" will get many views and sales due to volume. But that's far from being necessary to get views and sales. The number one seller on another site with nearly 400K songs only has ten more pieces of music than me with a total of just 84 songs. The key is getting views on good music, not just how many pieces of music you have. Usually, you can get good views through accurate and complete metadata (tags) as long as it described material in demand. But, when a search engine is bogged down with tons of old music that isn't selling, that affects everyone.
RekindlePhoto
4 Dec 2017 04:12
Music and noise is a tough one. There is no visual or location to be able to describe. It takes a lot longer for a buyer to choose since they need to listen for a substantial part of it whereas a video clip can be viewed by a quick thumb nail. I would guess that more than half and closer to 80% the keywords and descriptions used in the data of a music file could be used on every file that is for sale.
Deleting older files that have not sold is a very bad idea. Every week across agencies I sell 15-20 clips that are more than six years and up to tens years old or older and many selling for the first time. Removing files that have not sold for say eight years would cut my and many others income by tens of thousands of dollars a year.
Maybe removing old music would work, for footage it would be a very bad idea.
Quality is important but quantity is very important. There are different buyers on each site with an overlap. On the footage side certain subjects sell well here and not on other agencies and vis-versa. Like Jake said, 74 files will not result in a full time money maker anymore. Too much competition. Good luck on keywords and description, that would be real tough to make music standout from others.
Deleting older files that have not sold is a very bad idea. Every week across agencies I sell 15-20 clips that are more than six years and up to tens years old or older and many selling for the first time. Removing files that have not sold for say eight years would cut my and many others income by tens of thousands of dollars a year.
Maybe removing old music would work, for footage it would be a very bad idea.
Quality is important but quantity is very important. There are different buyers on each site with an overlap. On the footage side certain subjects sell well here and not on other agencies and vis-versa. Like Jake said, 74 files will not result in a full time money maker anymore. Too much competition. Good luck on keywords and description, that would be real tough to make music standout from others.
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Goldentunes
13 Dec 2017 13:43
My theory is there is a 2-3 year lag in this biz, almost across the board. I have exceptions, but this is by and large my experience....although a couple of my most recent songs have been selling lately
blackstop
20 Jan 2018 09:14
Some fellow told me that the views system here is not working very accurate. He had a sale to one of his tracks with 0 views of the track (that's impossible!)
Anyway I think that we all know how things are working to competitive sites like pond5.
There are sites with great traffic and your songs has over 50 views the first day you upload them that means high potential of sales in the first couple of days.
I have only 60 tracks in this site with no sale since day one I joined, but all of my tracks have some sales in other markets.
I know that every market has it's advs and disadvs so I'll keep trying keep producing keep filling my portfolio and wait...
Anyway I think that we all know how things are working to competitive sites like pond5.
There are sites with great traffic and your songs has over 50 views the first day you upload them that means high potential of sales in the first couple of days.
I have only 60 tracks in this site with no sale since day one I joined, but all of my tracks have some sales in other markets.
I know that every market has it's advs and disadvs so I'll keep trying keep producing keep filling my portfolio and wait...
ThisBruceSmith
1 Feb 2018 21:15
A few ideas, for what it's worth.
Use as many keywords as you can. Don't confine yourself to the ones in the checklist on the item edit screen. Use a search engine to find synonyms and include them as well. This increases your chances of being found.
Consider creating collections on your Artist Page for items that are similar in style, and then promote your collections on your web site or social media presence. The same for your Artist Page.
Generally, I have found that just uploading items isn't sufficient to generate views and sales here. You need to do some marketing as well.
Use as many keywords as you can. Don't confine yourself to the ones in the checklist on the item edit screen. Use a search engine to find synonyms and include them as well. This increases your chances of being found.
Consider creating collections on your Artist Page for items that are similar in style, and then promote your collections on your web site or social media presence. The same for your Artist Page.
Generally, I have found that just uploading items isn't sufficient to generate views and sales here. You need to do some marketing as well.
DCnewsfootage
5 Feb 2018 21:39
@CreateoodMusic I just added “Smoove” to my collection. May purchase at some point. Do you produce any Deep House music?
ElementOne
21 Mar 2018 17:20
I think I need to really put the effort in outside of Pond5. I'm going to try and create a presence on social media. But that presents its own challenges.