XH-A1 Vs. FX1000

hahah what are you talking about canon being jealous??? silly man. So is one cameras resolution better than the other? I cannot figure this out. if it is 1.2mp it must be smaller than 1440x1080. The one thing dragging me to the fx1000 is that slow motion crap... :-(. I need to not want it hahaha

Will time extension in AE work for slow motion, has anyone tried it? If that works it's very easy to do Scott

To get good slow motion you really need a camera that does 200 fps and up. Extending or stretching a clip in any software will not be clean past half speed as it gets fuzzy, or jittery, or pixelized or --- the variations are based on software used. Bottom line, it's just not that clean or sharp anymore. If you can shoot 60p that helps, but that is half speed if you play it back at 30fps. To get high speed cams, you will spend some bucks unless you can deal with Casio's Ex-F1 (up to 1200fps) or now it's new younger brother EX-FH20 (up to 1000 fps) (both below $1000.00) - but the problem is the resolution on those speeds. Definitely not HD. - I don't know what the "Time Warp" guys use, but I don't think those are HD either.

Some places won't accept anything but in camera slow motion for the reasons Andy stated.

Also there is the Sony HVR-V1U
It does true progressive also. Has 1/4 inch chips instead of 1/3 inch and shoots in DVCAM mode at 28mbs so a little less compression then HDV.
also slow motion at 240 fps

B&H has a deal that you get some cool accessories with it for $3649 including a copy of Sony Vegas Pro and Sony has a $300 mail in rebate deal.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/473462-REG/Sony__HVRV1U_HDV_Camcorder_Kit.html#specifications

Jake

Yeah I know it does not work for my stuff. Just did not know if it had the same problems with footage. It seems like it should work better with slow motion because it's just making double frames, can you guys just render to frames then use some sort of batch renaming to get it. Tech wise there should be no quality loss for you to go full doubles in time that way 1 min makes 2 min and so on.

"How come the fx1000 is 1.2mp and the xha1 is 1.5mp?"

FX chip: 1440 x 1080

A1 chip: 1920 x 1080

Oh yeah I agree, if you want to do slow motion you should go for the camera that has a high fps, I didn't realize that you wanted that feature Scott.

Jake I think progressive scan is in higher demand for a number of reasons. It is prefered for any video that plays on the web, it can be changed to different frame rates much more easily. For example a clip is 30fps it can easily be changed to 24fps (although it is slightly slower) ... The independent movie industry prefers progressive because it is more like film (it creates more of a real film look.)

Also there is a belief that interlaced footage is bad because of "the combing effect," actually a long while ago Klipper (one of p5s employees) proved that the combing effect is irrelevant when the video is in motion. However, if people are afraid of interlaced they may not buy it.

There is one more reason that progressive will be higher in demand in the future. The Porn industry prefers progressive scan, and whatever the porn industry uses that always becomes standard. They started using DVD and blueray, whatever they use always becomes the standard for future media.

Yeah, I knew about the interlace combing effect. I pulled a couple of my videos that had a lot of motion, Trees, rain etc. offline because of it.

Well, if the porn industry wants it then that's what I'm getting too. :-)
Whatever camera I decide to get, it must do true progressive.
So would you recomend shooting at 30p for stock to give people more options?

Jake

Lots of great info in this thread, thanks everyone.

Are the $3-4000 cameras shooting in true progressive, or is it like the HV20 and 30 where North American model has an interlaced wrapping around the progressive frame rate, you know pull down and such?

Norman

I think a higher rate would give people more options, sometimes for custom projects people want a computer generation in 60p or 90p ... Isnt that strange? I guess they want the extra data so its easier to go slo mo.

On the other hand, a lot of B-movie producers know very little about the technical side of video and they may only be interested in 24p. (because they didn't know you could buy a 30p and change it)....

You would be suprised at how ignorant many B-movie directors really are.