uploading 3d videos
tiberio
3 Jul 2013 18:40
I have a large collection of 3D videos. I don't like the way pond5 is rejecting my 3D videos, which is being done for the wrong reasons.
It is far more difficult to work with 3D videos than 2D. It is far more time consuming. It can easily take 3x or 4x more to work with 3D video than 2D.
I have spent a year trying to figure out the best way to sell 3D video. I have explored every option, and have tested every codec, and every video container. Of all of the options available, I have concluded that the best solution for me is to render the video as 2 separate streams, and to allow the user to download both streams and pair them on his end.
however, pond5 has rejected all of these videos and proposed an alternate solution. what they did not realize, is that their solution would require my uploaded videos to NOT be rejected, and their solution would use half the resolution as mine.
- the only 3d video container options that should be considered are half side by side, full side by side and MVC. I am using the absolute latest version of SONY VEGAS, which cannot render MVC or full side by side, so those options are not available to me. the only option is half side by side, which is half the quality. and resolution.
- the other option is separate, full HD video streams, which can easily be joined by any buyer, and can be used as 2D without any problems.
- either way, you have to upload at least 2 videos, so one can be used as a preview (such as the left channel).
- half side by side, my only option as a single file container, will undoubtedly become outdated sooner than 1920x1080 HD, so it makes sense to upload as full HD
- even if pond5 insists on the lower quality half side by side, WHICH IS THE BROADCAST STANDARD, it still requires the left channel to be uploaded separately so it can be used by the general buyer as a standard 2d video
- as far as I know, pond5 does not have a posted policy regarding 3d videos, so we are left to our own to figure out what works and what doesn't
so why were my uploads rejected???
- a lot of 3D videos do need stabilization. sony vegas does not finish rendering a lot of my videos recently, I don't know why, so I have to kill the process and restart. the stabilization can't be saved to disk. so if it happens, I have to re-edit the file, restabilize it, and re-render both streams, even if one stream already completed successfully. so that adds considerably to the time it takes to render video. a set of 3d videos that takes 30 minutes to complete is often restarted from scratch because of this odd issue.
like I said, even if you don't like the 2 stream method (which is silly), you should only have rejected the right stream, and not the right and left streams.
as I stated above, if I did render them and only submit as 2D (which I have been doing the past year), then it saves nothing, because due to the issue with stabilization, everything has to be redone from scratch anyway in order to convert them to 3d.
please resolve this issue swiftly, I have thousands of 3D videos pending upload until this issue is resolved.
It is far more difficult to work with 3D videos than 2D. It is far more time consuming. It can easily take 3x or 4x more to work with 3D video than 2D.
I have spent a year trying to figure out the best way to sell 3D video. I have explored every option, and have tested every codec, and every video container. Of all of the options available, I have concluded that the best solution for me is to render the video as 2 separate streams, and to allow the user to download both streams and pair them on his end.
however, pond5 has rejected all of these videos and proposed an alternate solution. what they did not realize, is that their solution would require my uploaded videos to NOT be rejected, and their solution would use half the resolution as mine.
- the only 3d video container options that should be considered are half side by side, full side by side and MVC. I am using the absolute latest version of SONY VEGAS, which cannot render MVC or full side by side, so those options are not available to me. the only option is half side by side, which is half the quality. and resolution.
- the other option is separate, full HD video streams, which can easily be joined by any buyer, and can be used as 2D without any problems.
- either way, you have to upload at least 2 videos, so one can be used as a preview (such as the left channel).
- half side by side, my only option as a single file container, will undoubtedly become outdated sooner than 1920x1080 HD, so it makes sense to upload as full HD
- even if pond5 insists on the lower quality half side by side, WHICH IS THE BROADCAST STANDARD, it still requires the left channel to be uploaded separately so it can be used by the general buyer as a standard 2d video
- as far as I know, pond5 does not have a posted policy regarding 3d videos, so we are left to our own to figure out what works and what doesn't
so why were my uploads rejected???
- a lot of 3D videos do need stabilization. sony vegas does not finish rendering a lot of my videos recently, I don't know why, so I have to kill the process and restart. the stabilization can't be saved to disk. so if it happens, I have to re-edit the file, restabilize it, and re-render both streams, even if one stream already completed successfully. so that adds considerably to the time it takes to render video. a set of 3d videos that takes 30 minutes to complete is often restarted from scratch because of this odd issue.
like I said, even if you don't like the 2 stream method (which is silly), you should only have rejected the right stream, and not the right and left streams.
as I stated above, if I did render them and only submit as 2D (which I have been doing the past year), then it saves nothing, because due to the issue with stabilization, everything has to be redone from scratch anyway in order to convert them to 3d.
please resolve this issue swiftly, I have thousands of 3D videos pending upload until this issue is resolved.
tiberio
3 Jul 2013 18:42
if I did what pond5 recommended, which is going to be to upload a half resolution side by side, then a few years form now when the standard changes, I would have to re-render everything for the clip to comply with any new standards, because of the issue I explained with the stabilization.
the best option, which cures all of these issues, is to use separate left and right streams, which I did, and were rejected.
just an FYI you can take the 2 3d streams, left and right, and 'pair' them together with a program like Sony VEgas, to produce the final 3D video. its easy to do.
the best option, which cures all of these issues, is to use separate left and right streams, which I did, and were rejected.
just an FYI you can take the 2 3d streams, left and right, and 'pair' them together with a program like Sony VEgas, to produce the final 3D video. its easy to do.
TheEngineer
3 Jul 2013 19:12
Given that 3D is dying at the moment I don't think I would bother to shoot / upload 3D content:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422874/espn-3d-to-shut-down-by-end-of-2013
4K / Quad HD may have more legs.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422874/espn-3d-to-shut-down-by-end-of-2013
4K / Quad HD may have more legs.
varius
4 Jul 2013 09:11
Gee, I hope 3D dies fast. I'd love to go see a movie without a guarantee for a splitting headache...
TheEngineer
5 Jul 2013 11:49
More reason to forget 3D
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-04/bbc-put-3d-projects-on-hold-due-to-lack-of-public-appetite-for-technology
From last year:
http://variety.com/2012/tv/news/canal-plus-shutters-3d-service-1118048051/
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-04/bbc-put-3d-projects-on-hold-due-to-lack-of-public-appetite-for-technology
From last year:
http://variety.com/2012/tv/news/canal-plus-shutters-3d-service-1118048051/