RED Scarlet

@ironstrike: Lenses meant to work with full frame cameras will work with the rebel and with the 5D, but lenses made for croped sensor cameras won't work with the 5D. Generally all Canon EF-S lenses will NOT work with the 5D.

@tillasmax: Thanks for the specs... Any idea where to get a legal copy of WinXP64 these days?

I have a 5D MKll on order, mainly as a still camera, but I'm looking forward to have an interchangeable lens camcorder as well. Hoping to get it next month.

thanks varius, I don't know much about still cameras, but do any video cameras have a sensor size that is comparable to the slr 5d? I didn't think there were, thats why red is panicing right?

Check this out, its sensor sizes....
http://rebelsguide.com/dl/sensorSizes_06_cheatSheet.png
canon 5d blows them all away.

WOW, I never thought of how much size difference there is.
I bet one of the updates on the Red is the size of the sensor.

I think the next step for Canon is to have that same sensor in one of their camcorder bodies.

Jake

Its incredible isnt it! Now I know why that company was using it as a video camera in the forum where you first mentioned the 5d. I am seriously considering the option of using the 5d as a video camera. Ill have to read more about it and save money, but even if it doesnt record sound I can get one of those remote mic recorders boom operators use. It would be like using a film camera. I wouldn't need to remove the standard lense too much either, so I don't think the black dust spots would be an issue for me.

The scarlet had a lot of hype but the 5d makes it look obsolete, the red one is like 17,000 dollars and its not even close to the 5d either.

amazing

The 5d does record sound. And it has a mic jack.
I'm hoping when Norman gets his next month we'll get a real world review and see some clips.
I'm still open for the Canon myself. I was going to get another camera next year.
Jake

Well, the 5DII is certainly on my wishlist, even if the video mode isn't what it's cracked up to be...

As for sensor size: High level professional HD cameras typically have 3 sensors with 2/3" size and full HD resolution on each plus a bit extra for the anti shake. That's more than enough, if HD is what you're shooting for.

The RED ONE is aimed at a different market though, entirely different animal. The scarlet however was probably too close to what the 5DII is supposed to be capable of.

no varius the 5d has a way bigger sensor than scarlet or red one, look at the size chart in the link above.

... the size of the sensor matters, 35mm film cameras like the one panavision rents out to studios has a huge exposure area. The film strips are actually quite large, and they cost about 8 cents a foot (expensive!) ... The reason why hollwood movies are so clear is that expensive 35mm film has such a huge exposure area, and as far as I can tell the 5d has an even bigger exposure area. People who use red one cameras always output 1920X1080 but the stills are amazing simply because the exposure area (sensor area) is so large. ... 2k is not far off from HD, so why is it studios prefer film cameras to HDV digital cameras? because Its not resolution that matters, its clarity. The three sensors is only relevant for better color, which I can fake in after effects :D So I don't care if a camera has 3 chips.

Sure, sensor size matters, especially with noise. But sensor size alone doesn't make the 5DII output 4K resolution movies at 120fps. ;-)

why would you want 4k though? Even if you had 4k you would down res it to HD or 2k. Thats what film people do and thats what red one owners do ... or at least the ones who upload to pond5.

I love the video that comes of that 5d,
http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop01.html
BUT on the drawback its only 13 minutes of capture time,,, horrible for the stock footage producer who travels a lot, so you would always need a laptop or something to upload.

But for all practical purposes it has similar attributes a true film camera has, except with no grain and its fixed on 30fps not 24. I need to research this more ... please correct me on something (anybody) if you see any flaws in my reasoning. I am seriously considering this camera as my next video camera.