Sony NEX FS700 - 4k

dapoopta, Hey, I already had breakfast! Yep, that's a great clip. I was wondering what your story was with the Phantom. Your information does help put things in perspective! It's still hard to wait for the buffer to dump....I do tend to cancel things and keep just the good bits....I like that function a lot!

Think the C300 is the aurora camera? Remember - the distinction I am seeking is that I am aiming for real-time. Physics knows....he must. It's one thing with a DSLR shooting long exposures and time-lapsed, but another entirely to capture it real-time. Not that I'm going to allow myself to start hankering for a C300....it's too much for my budget, for stock or not, I'm just not there. Money is going to go toward fast lenses! The fastest we have is the "nify fifty" f1.8. I shot the aurora the other night with a Tamron f2.8 17-50, but the 50mm prime is too tight given the crop factor so I don't use it.

Love your high-speed work, dapoopta!

Here is few clips shot in slow motion, love that camera, and i started to love autofocus, if you don`t move to quick it can be a great thing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-13wvWAk8fY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2thyu5kjH7w



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC17nVClqLQ

Another thing I love about slow motion is you can hand hold it and when played back it looks like smooth motion.

Not necessarily from a boat! I tossed 90% of the clips I shot yesterday including a couple good looking but too shaky. I'm withholding decision on a couple of them to see if the stabilization of AE will help (I'm going to get back into learning that soon)....here's one I kept:

what lenses are you using? I got the sony 50mm 1.8 for the IS and also auto focus.
35mm comes out end of the year

i have the same lens 50mm/1.8, good to know about that 35mm

Mizamook

"Is that the "G" lens on that 150? If so, it's not a great lens. At least not any more."

I'm not sure but it could be, and that could be a problem. Thanks for bringing that up. I love the lens on the EX1r, it's very sharp. I can't go down from that. I also have the Canon 100-400L, which I assume is the one that you're using, which is brilliant, and a few very nice old Nikon manuals. Something like the Blackmagic camera could be a good fit for me, especially with the bonus of the crop factor, but I've gotta have at least 60p or there's no deal. The quest for the perfect camera...


"I hope the FS700's 4K is good, when it happens. I hope that the FS700 is able to shoot the high frame rates at 4K. Why do I want 4K? To deliver in that resolution, when the shot merits it, yes, but also to be able to crop down to 1080....currently, if applicable, I crop down to 720"

To be able to do real crops on video footage without compromising resolution would be heaven.


"I would still like to know what the other artists out there (and buyers) hold as a threshold of acceptability as far as both noise and more importantly, aliasing…."

Noise first. I get noise from the EX in low light, pushing it wide open. The Neat Video plug in cleans it up beautifully. So I don't worry too much about that.

Aliasing- ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE! It's a personal thing. I hate it, maybe even more then I hate interlace artifacts.

dapoopta

"A lot of stuff depends on what you are shooting. I think there is a good private market outside of stock, such as engineering/machining videos, where you can make a good chunk of money with this camera. That is what I am chasing. The stock is for fun."

Chasing the engineering market makes perfect sense, especially since you speak their language. But just because stock is fun doesn't mean that it shouldn't be great.

"So YES, I agree this could be purchased for a stock shooting camera only, but there are a lot of on-par cameras that can do the same thing for a lot lesser of a cost...except the high speed."

Understood. Nice egg. Wish my pans were that shiny.

Dapoopta, I'm using the Canon 100-400 L USM IS...with stabilization when handheld...it's pretty aggressive sometimes. Then I forget to turn it off and I lost several tripod shots yesterday....big dummy me! I also use a Tamron 17-50 f2.8, which is out in the cold right now, shooting more aurora (kind of a must-do, can't help it, so sorry, kinda thing) amidst a herd of ruminants in reproductive frenzy - moaning and cavorting...kinda scary... Yes, I still occasionally use the Sony kit lens, but I want to get rid of it and get the lens Motion_POland is using....and also I was thinking the Sony E-mount 16mm, it's cheap enough, but I need a FAST wide, and the Tamron is doing a great job so far....just need wider, please, and what if Michele takes her Tamron back?

Markoconnell, we are on the same page, I think as far as quality. One thing I'm finding is that Neat Video doesn't like the noise I generate from pushing the gain too much with this S&Q motion aurora timelapse. It's too different frame to frame, but I looked at one of Alister Chapman's clips on Pond5 shot with the EX1, and it's easily as noisy....but still, we strive for clean,...

On lenses....the difference in joy between the Z5u G lens and the Canon 100-400 is night and day. The V1u Zeiss glass is sharper than the G lens. From what I have seen of people's work with the Fujinon 14x zoom on the EX1/r, it look s quite a bit sharper than the G lens. Of course, my G lens has not been the same as it once was....I used to get REALLY crisp distant mountain peak edges, and now they are soft....even when I double and triple check the focus. It may be the new manufacture of the lens (same lens on the NX5, I believe) or it may be something wrong with my camera. Just check it out before you buy. The Z5 is a great camera.....I was finally learning how to love it in the last couple years, so as a form factor it was really helping me get those shots, but that fuzziness thing kept popping up and biting me. Love the close shots.

I hate aliasing too....so far, with vegetation and waves and animals, in slow motion mode it's fine...just not straight or slightly curved fine lines. It just rankles how that kinda cripples an otherwise great feature. I'm glad I'm not alone in the hatred of it, although I do understand how viewers have gotten used to it...it's been a part of motion pictures forever....and we learn to loathe but also to live with the flaws innate to our recording system.

For those of us trying to capture and re-create images of reality, it's a real pain though.....once you get into the abstract, conceptual, or artistic stuff, it's easier to work around or avoid since there is more control in the shoot. Tell me I'm wrong if I am in this...I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the 4K function/recorder option will be affordable, and that it doesn't introduce a whole new batch of issues when it comes.

I'm hoping to make money with the FS700 with local youth sports (my neighbor is a coach and talked to me about it a while back) and I do want to start shooting some more events, since with three cameras I can cover things pretty well.

are you seeing a lot of aliasing and moire in your normal speed stuff miz?

I'm going to shoot some stuff today. I love this camera ;-) It makes me smile when I pick it up, but that's probably just because it is so new. My poor Mark II is jealous.

Mark, this is a brand new pan ;-P. It won't be like this for long!