3D Animations TOO realistic?

Hi @ll.

I'm writing here, because I'm stuck in case of lack of proper support by POND5.

I'm 3D-Animator and VFX Artist for almost 30 years now.
In my spare time, I always do some animations here and there, which I also try to sell on the different stock footage databases, so also on POND5.

I recently uploaded 3 clips of an animation of a MRI Scanner inside a fictive environment. On a divan bed there's a "patient" laying.
Everything in this scene is completely done in CGI.

After I uploaded the animations, they got returned, and I got asked for a model release.

I watched the POND5 release templates, but there weren't a proper release, so I wrote my own, mentioning that the clip is an animation and not a real video, as well as the virtual person inside the clip.

Again the animations have been returned, mentioning that the given release isn't "POND5 conform".

Then I downloaded the POND5 model release and mentioned there the same as before, I attached a wireframe image (3D-"raw") as well, which exactly shows, that everything there is totally virtual.

Again the animations have been returned, mentioning that the given release isn't "POND5 conform".

As I thought something went wrong, I uploaded the release again.
... and guess what: again, the animation has been returned.

This time the curator told me, that I need to fill in the forename and surname of the model.

Come on guys, really?

If I wouldn't have spent days for generating the scene and additional days for letting all my computers rendering all the stuff, I probably would find that funny, but in the past also Getty told me such a bull**it and in the last consequence I denied my collaboration with them.

Ladies and gentlemen at POND5:
I can understand that my works are of such a high quality, that you guys aren't able to differ between a real clip and a computeranimation
(yeah, I'm a magician, I know), but if you do want special information for a certain clip, you should let me exactly know, what I need to do and what not.

But please, do not expect, that I give my 3D models a real personality and therefore a real name, just for the sake of being "POND5 conform".

I sent 3 different release now and it would be nice, if you would read them, not just looking at its generic layout.
I cannot do more, than to sign, that everything is done by ME and that everything is virtual, fictive, non-existent and just not REAL!

Am I the only one, who has this hassles?


For POND5:
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Thorsten Kuttig (aka IEDNlab)

Can you sign the MR yourself? Get signatures from yourself and a witness. Also sign a Property Release.

Yes, as Wideweb mentioned. Just fill it out as you and be done with it, no matter how insane that rejection is, just go with it.
I've seen people getting animations rejected for "shaky, use a tripod" LOL

wideweb:
For what do I need a property release, when there isn't any property?
I signed, that I own ALL the rights and attached a wireframe image of the animation.
What else should I do, that is not nonsense, but helps me?

Shall I really bother my neighbour with asking him, to play the witness for all
my animations, which are still in production?

Sorry...but that sounds ridiculous indeed (cry)

I guess if you attach a wireframe you do not need PR. But who am I to decide?
You neighbor is only needed to witness you signing.

OK, I did that nonsense...looking forward to see, if they approve them now...

Now that I send another release, they returned it again, because the sign of a witness is missing, but:
In the model release is the following given information:

"If there is NO picture for the model, a witness
name/signature is REQUIRED. A Witness is not
needed if a picture is attached below."

But there was a picture of the model included in the release.

This kind of stupid arbitrariness is ... well... I cannot find words for.

Did you write to support@pond5.com? They've been helpful in past. Could be that the scene is viewed as property... I know that for a shot of a person with a tattoo you should have a property release from the tattoo artist as well, because it's an artwork he created. In doubt I would just use shutterstock form, P5 accepts it as well.

rasomaso, yeah I had contact with the guys from the support, but they didn't really understand either, but after I filled out all releases properly, they finally accepted all the shots.

I had a similar problem: they marked some of my animations as 'editorial' because they looked to much as Donald Trump. I did not bothered at all even though the thing has upset me. Drawing, painting and 3D modelling are not photography - there is no direct connection between the representation and a real person or property but a mediated and very blurred one only. My model, as well as yours, may look similar to one person but in the same time they may look similar to more many others because similar is not identical - hence the absurdity of asking for a model release. I think the only reason is to make sure that we are the creators and we take upon ourselves all the legal problems concerning the property and to cover an worldwide spread of legislation.

Keep up the good work and never give up without a fight!