Camera Information

There have been some tests - having wine tester people taste the same cheap wine from expensive labeled bottles and cheap - guess what? They altered their perceptions to fit their expectations!

Having the camera info might sour buyers on otherwise great clips.

Having a great camera does not mean clip is great, and conversely, having a crappy camera does not mean a clip is crappy.

I record all my clips with a RED Epic and Phantom Gold.....

Lol
And I shoot everything with a Canon C300..
Oh wait...


Anyway, if its a requirement, it just needs to be input and not belly ache about it.
I've always put the camera I used and those clips continue to sell.

And of course people can lie about the camera just like people keyword spam. But that only makes your work look cheap.

I shoot everything with 'You Choose and I'll type it into this little box'

I would hope that when a buyer purchases a clip/photo and from the artist input is says RED Epic but exif shows Barbie Play Toy Camera they get mad ... real real mad. Artists that fear their camera will be frowned upon need to re-evaluate is this a hobby or a business. Maybe P5 should have a hobby section ;)

I still sell a lot of clips from my old Canon HV20, the buyers know up front the sensor and lens quality. Honesty in marketing should be more important than worrying about a buyer will pass on a clip from a P&S. In the photo and video world there is a huge difference between 12mp camera sensors. There has been a battle between cameras to see who can advertise the most.

Noise, grain, dynamic range, etc etc are results from sensor size or camera. The lens is a huge factor in quality. If a person wants a scrapbook of 4x6 most any cell phone works and it will look good in the small P5 preview window. If a buyer wants to print a billboard or show on a movie screen then he doesn't want Barbi's cell phone capture.

I think make and model requirement is honest selling. I also believe that P5 should extract this along with lens, and exposure settings and have it posted. Anyone who over-rides these exif settings without strong justification needs to worry about selling here. Like Jake said, spam is being dishonest or not completing the keyword page accurately. P5 needs to make the camera make and model a mandatory block that can't be saved until filled in accurately. P5 needs to use exif data to ensure accuracy.

What EXIF data on a rendered PJPEG file? If I make an image composited from differing sources why does it matter? Put a crappy lens on a great camera and you have mush for resolution. Crank the gain and you have noise.

On the other hand, I've gotten really fine quality full HD clips from the Z5U and V1U. Yeah, surprised me too, but there's a lot to be said for learning what the shortcomings are for any given imaging system and working within them, or learning to sidestep them.

True, given the same situation, same shooter, same technique, all that, a great camera/lens will outperform a P&S. But this is seldom the case - and I'm nopt talking stills here....I'm talking 1080 and 720 HD video. We create an image using various tools and techniques, and offer it for sale.

I'm arguing like I care - I do, I guess, because I know that like the price limit slider on the new P5 it will affect some sales. On the other hand, I have no problem with full disclosure...just wish there was a way to offset the expectation phenomenon, having seen the range of quality various cameras can produce, and been surprised.

Some of my older clips have that field blank. If P5 offered us a way to adjust them all at once I would. In the meantime I fill out the field - I keep that info in the session name/folders, and in the spreadsheet when I render/keyword each clip.

Three of today's sales were from my old Canon HV-20. All were listed as such. Full disclosure is honesty. For some subject matter, i.e. news reporting anything goes, any camera will work. For quality that most buyers expect, cell phone and P&S is should be annotated so the buyers understands that is what their are getting. We all know that the small previews here at P5 and all stock agencies makes low definition video look pretty darn good. It's only after being purchased and then viewed on something larger that an IPhone can the buyer really see the grain, noise, rolling shutter, over-sharpening, etc problems. Yes even the best camera can give poor results for broadcast quality it the operator is not skilled or if the video is over processed.

On the Canon 5D MK II and III and many other cameras you can in-camera setup exif data such as name, business, copyright, camera make and model. After processing through Premier Pro all this data is still available and can be read easily ... even after processing into PJPEG.

Great to see some of the curators are demanding make and model.

Let's hope the slider will sort out the bottom dwellers based on an expectation of quality versus price. Does the slider have a lower limit? i.e. show footage over $50 but less than $200 or just an upper limit. Haven't looked at it yet.

There is a definite difference between broadcast quality cameras and not. I would think that organizations such as the BBC, Alamy, Nat Geo and others know this and that is why they restrict their photographers to a selected make and model of cameras. If you are not on the list they don't want your work. That does help maintain quality. At one time a few years ago P5 stated that they would not accept P&S and cell phone. I think that went away ...

I agree - you are making sense. Not that I'm surprised. It just rankles a little bit when I'm nearly $20K into imaging systems that are simply disregarded, and then I see aliasing in BBC production (Frozen Planet) - aliasing that had me freaking out about the HDV-recording V1U recording to a $1600 PIX recorder at high bit rate and was still there - very similar stuff ....I guess cameras have trouble with crevasses on glaciers.

Anyway, I've seen noise too, and blown highlights that didn't look so good....but then I have trained myself to look for flaws in my own work, and it's good to see them in the big guys' work too from time to time - nobody's perfect, nor is any imaging system.

Still, yeah, it would be nice to play with the big guys, but maybe someday.

It is sad, I have a closet full of once top high quality cameras. A great Canon XH-A1 sitting in a case for the last several years. I have learned that it does take money to make money. It does cost a lot, too in a few years either give them away or put them on the historical camera shelf for my future museum. Upgrading cameras shows buyers we are serious. Indeed older cheaper cameras will indeed result in sales. In the last two days I've sold five clips from the Canon HV-20, XH-A1 and GoPro. They work but do show a level of aging. It was subject matter and not the broadcast quality that helped with the purchases.

Don, I think when P5 is accepting everything this site would constitute as a hobby section. Same as shutterstock, that is one of their slogans, turn those pictures you have laying around on hard drives into $$.

How do you pull camera information from a .mov file?

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a great idea to have quality control. But the model of camera is not telling the buyer much of anything. Most buyers, like you said, are looking for content. If the video looks good at 100% photo preview then it should be expected that through the curating process the video won't have any other issues that might make a buyer not want it. Quality control is the key component. IF it is possible to pull the camera info from the .mov then just automate the process and show what camera it was.