Apple Prores 4:4:4

Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 05:41
Mizamook, can you explain what you mean? The curator's note is: “Can you provide these in better codec please? At least H.264.”

My codec was mp4.
Mizamook 12 Dec 2014 06:11
I will try. I'm sure someone will clarify.

Based on your statement "My codec was mp4", I can assume you are not clear on the distinction between "codec" and "container". Forgive me if I misunderstand, but it is easy to confuse these, and I can clearly remember when I was starting to learn it. (I am still learning it, hence my incomplete explanation)

The container is .mp4. The codec, as requested minimum by the curator, is h.264. We (gcrook and I at this point), recommend you render into a Quicktime .mov container using ProRes 422 HQ.

Containers can have many different codecs.

A popular container, Quicktime (.mov) can have many different codecs, including, but not limited to, h.264, photo-pjeg (PJPEG, the stock industry standard), motion-jpeg (outdated because no-one used interlacing anymore, right?), ProRes in various flavors (best option for highest quality for general work up to and including 4444, which is awesome, but huge), and such like Avid DNxHD, "Animation" for when you want to include an alpha channel, and Cineform.

It is confusing, because "MP4" is also a codec you can render into when using the Quicktime extension. I am so not sure how it can be a container and a codec both. I love this for exporting for compressed uploads to the internet.

My comment about the dump truck carrying a baguette is a not very good simile between the dump truck being way overkill (lots of empty space left, and wasting fuel) suggesting that you are wanting to upload your content in a codec that is capable of way more than your content demands, and because of this, there is a lot of data being unused.

Now, if you were able to actually see the difference, say, between ProRes 422, 422HQ, and 4444, then by all means, go for it. It's your storage, upload time, etc. I'd recommend, however, using the codec best suited for your content. Many clips will likely be fine with PJPEG, which is better than ProRes 422, in my opinion, having captured to it from camera, and rendered to it, but you may be happiest with ProRes 422HQ.

Rendering to an mp4 is great for uploading to the internet, not supplying content for stock.
RekindlePhoto 12 Dec 2014 06:39
Not sure what camera you are using. That will help to know. There is no need to use 4:4:4 for stock. I would be surprised if P5 or any agency would even accept it unless you are shooting with a very expensive camera. The easy answer is render in Quicktime using PJPEG and you will not have a problem with any agency.
Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 16:27
Everyone is correct, I am a newbie and not familiar with the technical aspect of making video. I really appreciate all of you, especially Mizamook, take the second time to explain to me. But I am still confused.

From my software, Videomach, I do not see an option for Prores 422, only 444. What do I miss? I don't see any option for H.264 either.

For the second batch which was rejected, video codec was "MPEG-4", Codec Setting "40000"(the highest video bit rate), Video format was "MP4/MOV Quicktime MPEG-4 Video/AAC Audio". (These settings are recommended in Videomach's tutorial.)

What did I do wrong?

The first batch was accepted by both P5 and SS. But the second batch was rejected by the second inspector from P5. I have not yet to submit the second batch to any other agencies.
Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 16:38
Mizamook, my software seems to use a different language. You said PJPEG, I cannot find either. But I can see (JPEG, Joint Photographic Group), the Codec setting let me to choose the bit rate up to 100%.'

Does it make any sense?
Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 19:12
Without knowing any better, this is a compromise I am trying: I made the time lapse in Prores 444 format, and then converted the clip into Mpeg H.264. Does it work? I am very willing to learn new solutions, please continue your help and any critiques about my attempts.

This is what I just uploaded:
Mizamook 12 Dec 2014 20:43
Love the snowy look Charlinex. Watch your tripod stability though....creeping a bit!

Have you looked in the render page somewhere for a "Render Options" or codec options button? Maybe you are supplied simply with a preset template, as ProRes 4444, but you need to modify that to a lower bitrate version.

"PJPEG" is a foreshortening of the proper "Photo-JPEG" and it would be found in under the Quicktime options.

Because I don't know your program (how the rendering GUI looks), what I recommend is to find the best, well-behaved and professional forum that is specific to your software, and ask them. Tell them the specifics of what you would like to do, say, something like: How to render as Quicktime Photo-JPEG or ProRes 422?

Are you on Mac or PC? Must be Mac, since you already have the ability to encode ProRes.
Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 21:07
Mizamook, thanks for your advice again. I am using PC.

The clip was shot in a high elevation under high wind. Was the "shake" too much? Ok, I shot from my home so it will be quite easy to repeat. :)
Mizamook 12 Dec 2014 21:14
Lucky you to have shots from home. I don't think the shake was too much. It's more a creep that I see....call it unintended autopanning, if you will. I've sold a few time lapses with flaws like that, so as long as YOU are OK with it, then give the potential buyer the chance to decide.

Consider looking into After Effects or such at some point, where you can stabilize minor annoyances.

OK, with PC you must have Quicktime installed. There is a free version. Google it, if you haven't, install Quicktime Player, and after rebooting your machine you might have more options.

As far as your ProRes goes, maybe that's a limited version that came with your software. I just downloaded and installed the new updated version of Miraizon ProRes codec, which I'll report on shortly (in that thread).
Charlinex 12 Dec 2014 21:39
In hindsight, I should have used a faster shutter speed since the night sky and clouds were lit by the snow on the ground. Maybe I will try again this evening.

Mizamook, I think I have Quicktime. Will look into your recommendation later. Thanks again! I saw you are from Alaska. I have been to Yukon, almost went to Alaska.
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