More sales data
AdventureUAV
11 May 2019 01:00
This seems common sense because a lot of other stock sites offer it, but can we please see WHICH items are being viewed in the stats screen - like a click through per day to see what was viewed? This would help tremendously in knowing whats's interesting, what's potentially not selling due to price, etc and just generally allow us to be more informed from a marketing perspective.
Mizamook
11 May 2019 01:02
Good luck.
(yes, agreed, of course, but still ... getting them to give us MORE information has never been successful. Any queries to support will return a referral to the stripped down data in the artist pages)
(yes, agreed, of course, but still ... getting them to give us MORE information has never been successful. Any queries to support will return a referral to the stripped down data in the artist pages)
OliverM
11 May 2019 09:43
We asking it for years... they just don't care
jason
11 May 2019 17:28
@ AdventureUAV
With more than 15 million clips online not including audio, sfx, after effects, 3D and 92000 sellers how much are you willing to pay for that service?
With more than 15 million clips online not including audio, sfx, after effects, 3D and 92000 sellers how much are you willing to pay for that service?
Mizamook
11 May 2019 19:35
It's not an artist-only benefit, jason. In a business based on the dubious success of a few random clips to subsidize the rest of the dross, don't you think it might make financial sense for them to avoid having to pay for the bandwidth, curation effort, storage, etc.? If we could more efficiently decide how to apply our particular individual talents, skills, locations, concepts, then there would be more money in it for all, no? So this "service" would pay for itself.
Sure, so many times I've almost deleted something only to discover that it's a great seller, but there are far too many other times when the converse is true.
The information we want is already there. Someone with the skills to write the code to parse that data and present it in a form that makes sense to us .... a tad more efficient than scrolling through our uploads page to look at the sales data and try to figure out where what views were "real" and guessing at the keywords used to arrive at that view, etc.
I personally don't care much for knowing what's "popular" (presented on the Contributor Portal)... my stuff doesn't usually fit into those categories, (whether by style, ability or lack of skill) and by the time I respond to a "trend" it's gone. What it would be nice to see is how MY data can be used to further hone my offerings so I can make more money for myself and for Pond5, more efficiently.
Sure, so many times I've almost deleted something only to discover that it's a great seller, but there are far too many other times when the converse is true.
The information we want is already there. Someone with the skills to write the code to parse that data and present it in a form that makes sense to us .... a tad more efficient than scrolling through our uploads page to look at the sales data and try to figure out where what views were "real" and guessing at the keywords used to arrive at that view, etc.
I personally don't care much for knowing what's "popular" (presented on the Contributor Portal)... my stuff doesn't usually fit into those categories, (whether by style, ability or lack of skill) and by the time I respond to a "trend" it's gone. What it would be nice to see is how MY data can be used to further hone my offerings so I can make more money for myself and for Pond5, more efficiently.
AdventureUAV
12 May 2019 03:49
Mizamook you really hit the nail on the head. That's precisely what I'm getting at. You'd think Pond5 would want that data as badly as we do because it'd cut down on their workload and overhead if we could all shoot/compose/create more intelligently and only provide them what buyers want rather than taking this shotgun approach of flinging a dump truck full of crap at the wall and seeing what sticks. If I get a sudden spike of item views but then no sales, I'd like to know what was being looked at that didn't sell. Maybe prices on some clips need to be adjusted. Maybe I've got the right subjects but wrong angles/conditions/etc. More information and more data for us benefits not only us, but Pond5 and buyers as well.
JUMPCUTFILMS
12 May 2019 21:29
Hi, feel the same. Stats did not improved in terms of data knowledge.
Actually some disapear like market share % tables we had before. This was very helpfull.
It could be very helpful a layout that grabs or merge these stats and give us instantly, in real time, all these results. Actually i think is not really big fancy work to program. Anyway we already can do this in a "Jurassic" way with Excel by copy/paste data and using formulas for beginers. the data is already there: part in stats overview with 4 graphics and other in artist page. it only need better treatment.
So I think is not a question of contributor willing to pay for this kind of data tretament. It's more if P5 is willing to invest in this oportunity to get a better performance on just this feature. Well....in 10 years, they didnt. But made a lot nice changes and we now have a fancy contributor portal with tips and tutorials too. Btw does anyone really use it on daily basis?
all the best,
Actually some disapear like market share % tables we had before. This was very helpfull.
It could be very helpful a layout that grabs or merge these stats and give us instantly, in real time, all these results. Actually i think is not really big fancy work to program. Anyway we already can do this in a "Jurassic" way with Excel by copy/paste data and using formulas for beginers. the data is already there: part in stats overview with 4 graphics and other in artist page. it only need better treatment.
So I think is not a question of contributor willing to pay for this kind of data tretament. It's more if P5 is willing to invest in this oportunity to get a better performance on just this feature. Well....in 10 years, they didnt. But made a lot nice changes and we now have a fancy contributor portal with tips and tutorials too. Btw does anyone really use it on daily basis?
all the best,
DW_Stock
18 May 2019 20:29
I was using microstockr.com when I was on multiple sites, but not anymore that I'm exclusive and I do think that kind of data would be great. It's helped me stay informed and make decisions. Maybe they can consider licensing that software for their own app.
Mizamook
18 May 2019 21:08
.... as I render a lovely clip of a porcupine ambling past the forest's edge, a hands down winner for sure, I reflect that while it is true there is a huge chunk of information that we could benefit from having digested (or having the tools to digest it), the Contributor Portal is a piece of work. I say that in a positive way, not snarky. Having perused it again, I am impressed ... it does supply a lot of great suggestions and tips and has lots of food for thought, etc.
I find it suspicious and damning that I don't get a lot of stuff I personally can use from it. Living in a very rural town of 500 private, rugged, busy people, with not a helluva lot of that kind of stuff going on, I'm either staring at something right in front of me but not seeing it, or I am already doing what I need to do. (my question to me is: "Am I being lazy, short of vision, or showing a marked lack of creativity?" Probably guilty on all counts.)
But given that it would take an EXTREME lifestyle change to take advantage of so many of those suggestions in the Contributor Portal, it would be very very nice to have real feedback from the data that exists for my prior work, so that I might adjust how I approach my current and future work.
Too often the only real feedback comes as a sudden sale, or spate of sales in a group or type of clip I make that may have been deadbeat for years. So that is reinforcement to keep making those, but, as my own observations seem to indicate, rushing out to make a bunch more of a particular type of clip or subject in response to a few sales is not necessarily good efficient practice. (Obviously it's not a 1:1 thing, but for instance since I've made a considerable amount of money reliably on driving POV shots, and I happen to be going on a road trip soon, I'm making effort to make sure I am reasonably well-kitted for getting some more of those, despite having a couple hundred of them that do NOT sell ... but I love doing it, and every once in a while my personal parameters for "good shot!" get met, and those do sell).
Yet in the meantime I worry about my decision required: Do I take the big fancy drone, or the big fancy camera? I cannot take both (physical space limit). Having the data on the types of shots produced by both would really help, as the lone feedback on sales from those shots is too spread out for me to see any real pattern.
So if Pond5 could somehow be encouraged to augment their already extensive Artist support pages with more data, it would be most appreciated.
I find it suspicious and damning that I don't get a lot of stuff I personally can use from it. Living in a very rural town of 500 private, rugged, busy people, with not a helluva lot of that kind of stuff going on, I'm either staring at something right in front of me but not seeing it, or I am already doing what I need to do. (my question to me is: "Am I being lazy, short of vision, or showing a marked lack of creativity?" Probably guilty on all counts.)
But given that it would take an EXTREME lifestyle change to take advantage of so many of those suggestions in the Contributor Portal, it would be very very nice to have real feedback from the data that exists for my prior work, so that I might adjust how I approach my current and future work.
Too often the only real feedback comes as a sudden sale, or spate of sales in a group or type of clip I make that may have been deadbeat for years. So that is reinforcement to keep making those, but, as my own observations seem to indicate, rushing out to make a bunch more of a particular type of clip or subject in response to a few sales is not necessarily good efficient practice. (Obviously it's not a 1:1 thing, but for instance since I've made a considerable amount of money reliably on driving POV shots, and I happen to be going on a road trip soon, I'm making effort to make sure I am reasonably well-kitted for getting some more of those, despite having a couple hundred of them that do NOT sell ... but I love doing it, and every once in a while my personal parameters for "good shot!" get met, and those do sell).
Yet in the meantime I worry about my decision required: Do I take the big fancy drone, or the big fancy camera? I cannot take both (physical space limit). Having the data on the types of shots produced by both would really help, as the lone feedback on sales from those shots is too spread out for me to see any real pattern.
So if Pond5 could somehow be encouraged to augment their already extensive Artist support pages with more data, it would be most appreciated.
jason
18 May 2019 22:01
Every time the development team makes a change in one area they manage to screw something else up in another. So it's unlikely any of us will see that kind of data in the near future.