Existing portfolios
TheEngineer
18 Feb 2014 08:05
I have done a couple of deals with people and it has been based principally on income rather than amount of work. To me a portfolio of 500 clips that earns (say) $500 a month is worth more than a portfolio of 10,000 fractals that earns $20 a month.
The deals I have done have been complete transfer of copyright with a contract drawn up by a lawyer.
The deals I have done have been complete transfer of copyright with a contract drawn up by a lawyer.
RekindlePhoto
18 Feb 2014 15:16
True, value has little to do with work and effort getting the products produced and online. The real only thing that matters is if the product is selling and the potential for continued sales. A clip that has been online for five years with one sale has little value as far as selling the rights. One with no sales is worth pennies at the most as speculative investment.
TheEngineer
19 Feb 2014 07:23
Exactly, regardless of what you may think, a business, portfolio of clips, house, antique painting etc is only "worth" what someone is prepared to pay for it!
bryanbush
28 Feb 2014 19:43
With some of the different emerging ways of doing this business, I disagree a little. Sure no one wanted your clip for 200 bucks for a single use agreement, but in a subscription package it could be a whole different situation completely. If the work is just crap, it's crap... and your totally right no real value.
Strangely enough though I think everyone has clips that sell like crazy on some sites and not on others, even with identical keywords. So assessing the value based on the few sites that offer real DL numbers is very difficult. It's more based on the sites algorithm then any thing I believe, you happened to sell a certain clip once, it rises in the ranks and gets in front of more buyers, when potentially you have far better clips of maybe almost identical subject matter.. Or you just have soooo many clips you come up in searches for just about any thing, that boosts sales too, or unique subject matter will boost portfolio views, and boost sales.. This doesn't make it a run down house, or an antique painting of no value.
I think truly assessing a clips value is based on multiple factors, what the buyer thinks they can make off it is the bottom line.
I have talked to a site owner who passed on a particular, very specific clip, they thought had no real value, and it has sold on here allot. Not my clip, but one that I found particularly funny that will remain nameless.
If i was in the position to do so, I would buy clips with zero sales, it would just depend on the quality of the clip. For instance if I could purchase Jake style shots done with actors, even with zero sales, I can look at them and see the quality, the smooth flowing camera movement, even without knowing his sales history I would do it. Point being I think a trained eye can see quality without having to use the numbers. The people that need the exact sales numbers, seem to me like they are an untrained eye, or trying to talk you down on your price, and that's the only way they can do it. I'm sure there could be other reasons, maybe they just want to hedge there bets...
"True, value has little to do with work and effort getting the products produced and online." I totally disagree with this statement.
Maybe not getting them online, I can agree with that.. I saw an AE template for example, with amazing camera movement, tracking info, amazing, it must have taken at least a week for someone really good to do, used 3D models, had a an amazing transition effect. They obviously put in a ton of effort, and work, and are now reaping the rewards of that. Example two, my own work. I made the flags that I have online very quickly, they have sold OK. Iron man 2 I believe it was was looking for flag for the part when Iron man lands on the stage... P5 contacted me and wanted permission prior to show it to who ever it was making the decision on the shot to use it or not. My heart sank, because I knew I could have done much better quality. Here is the guy that got his work on there http://cargocollective.com/brentmilby I used to work with him, I remember when he made that flag... lol, ugh! Very deserving of the spot in the movie, the guy is freaking amazing. The craftsman ship he puts into every thing he does is outstanding. Your probably thinking camera work totally different, I don't think so. There are smaller ports that sell more then much larger ones or on par with them due to the quality of the work.
Strangely enough though I think everyone has clips that sell like crazy on some sites and not on others, even with identical keywords. So assessing the value based on the few sites that offer real DL numbers is very difficult. It's more based on the sites algorithm then any thing I believe, you happened to sell a certain clip once, it rises in the ranks and gets in front of more buyers, when potentially you have far better clips of maybe almost identical subject matter.. Or you just have soooo many clips you come up in searches for just about any thing, that boosts sales too, or unique subject matter will boost portfolio views, and boost sales.. This doesn't make it a run down house, or an antique painting of no value.
I think truly assessing a clips value is based on multiple factors, what the buyer thinks they can make off it is the bottom line.
I have talked to a site owner who passed on a particular, very specific clip, they thought had no real value, and it has sold on here allot. Not my clip, but one that I found particularly funny that will remain nameless.
If i was in the position to do so, I would buy clips with zero sales, it would just depend on the quality of the clip. For instance if I could purchase Jake style shots done with actors, even with zero sales, I can look at them and see the quality, the smooth flowing camera movement, even without knowing his sales history I would do it. Point being I think a trained eye can see quality without having to use the numbers. The people that need the exact sales numbers, seem to me like they are an untrained eye, or trying to talk you down on your price, and that's the only way they can do it. I'm sure there could be other reasons, maybe they just want to hedge there bets...
"True, value has little to do with work and effort getting the products produced and online." I totally disagree with this statement.
Maybe not getting them online, I can agree with that.. I saw an AE template for example, with amazing camera movement, tracking info, amazing, it must have taken at least a week for someone really good to do, used 3D models, had a an amazing transition effect. They obviously put in a ton of effort, and work, and are now reaping the rewards of that. Example two, my own work. I made the flags that I have online very quickly, they have sold OK. Iron man 2 I believe it was was looking for flag for the part when Iron man lands on the stage... P5 contacted me and wanted permission prior to show it to who ever it was making the decision on the shot to use it or not. My heart sank, because I knew I could have done much better quality. Here is the guy that got his work on there http://cargocollective.com/brentmilby I used to work with him, I remember when he made that flag... lol, ugh! Very deserving of the spot in the movie, the guy is freaking amazing. The craftsman ship he puts into every thing he does is outstanding. Your probably thinking camera work totally different, I don't think so. There are smaller ports that sell more then much larger ones or on par with them due to the quality of the work.