CG and Footage stats separate

RekindlePhoto 27 Feb 2009 15:32
In the artist resources I suggest that the average price online and sold have separate stats for CG and footage. I think the CG makes it look like footage is selling for far less than it does. Since they are two completely different products this will help us to better price CG and footage according to what buyers are actually purchasing them.

Maybe even a check box on all stats including searches which separate the two. I believe many buyers are only interested in one or the other and having both show up makes the search more time consuming and difficult.

Don
varius 27 Feb 2009 21:31
Don't know about you, but I do have quite a few clips I don't know where to put. Very big grey area there. Oh, and the type of CG stuff I'm currently working on will be priced HIGHER than most of my live footage...

Edit to add:
Where would you put something like this:

Based on photo time laspe, but colour and wavy water reflection are entirely CG. So... what is it?
RekindlePhoto 27 Feb 2009 21:38
Agreed, many times pricing is not a factor but any computer generated with no footage use and clips where footage is primary part are different sales type. I believe that if a buyer wants to buy "footage" or computer generated they shoud be able to filter as needed. I also thing that as artists we should have statistic based on the general category of computer generated or camera generated footage. I know many CG are very expensive, but overall I think the average price of CG is much lower than HD camera generated. There is so much data and trying to manage it is a job for Super Marcus ;)
varius 27 Feb 2009 21:52
I guess more than 90% of the clips online here could be easily categorised into CG oder "real", but what to do with border line stuff. Live clips that get an entirely CG look (or those multi-screen clips). Or what about photorealistic animations? Do we get a "a bit of both worlds" category? ;-)

I'm a bit weary of the "check the illustration box" rule elsewhere. Same problem, some heavily edited photos have to be checked as Illu, some photorealistic 3D stuff gets rejected if you check the box because "this is not an illustration"...
Peak_Video 27 Feb 2009 22:57
Yeah, agree would be nice to have the 2 separated in the stats. I think the example you posted above varius would be pretty easy to include in the CG category.
The most I ever give any of my video clips is maybe a touch of the brightness filter and then only sparingly and not very often. A photorealistic animation is pretty clearly a computer generated clip and therefore is CG. A multi screen clip I would also call CG as it is not straight out of the camera and is a creation at its most basic level.
There may be a bit of a grey area there but its only to give us better stats on pricing so if the odd one slips into the wrong category it won't make a lot of difference.
ironstrike 27 Feb 2009 23:35
hmm I make clips were I delete telephone poles, change the sky, add or remove sun flares. No one can tell that its CG.

Ive had a buyer ask if one of my entirely cg clips was real.
varius 27 Feb 2009 23:53
So... is a greenscreen clip with matte already CG? Is it when you use a new (real live footage) background, even if it looks entirely realistic?
bryanbush 28 Feb 2009 00:14
If we had better classification there would be no need for segregation, it would just not show up in searches or at least less, as for stats what is it you need to know that you cant find out without them being in the same boat? Why is CG making footage sales seem like they are selling for less bad? It's not like if it starts to look like footage is selling for $600 a clip that will be great for anyone will it?
RekindlePhoto 28 Feb 2009 01:28
I dunno, Marcus ya there? Is the $10-20 CG clips pulling the average HD fottage price down in the artists stats? Maybe not. I do believe it might, I also do see animations that are $200 plus but a majority are in the low end. Many newbies look at the general stats when they start to price new submissions. Over the last couple of months the stats show the average price per clip has gone down. From what I see many of the big sellers are not reducing prices but are increasing them. Marcus what is causing the footage average price to go down? Just an idea for our stats, maybe not for search results.
bryanbush 28 Feb 2009 04:04
How does the average going down or up effect you in the least? I don't get it, do buyers even see that stat? If the average sale price was $300.00 would it do any thing for any of us? I'm not trying to be a prick I just don't get it... Can you inform me with information on this?
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