Refine keyword search?

I'm fine with leeway, but SeanP has keywords which have NOTHING to do with his clips. After awhile, you just start thinking, why not do it myself if P5 doesn't care and doesn't do anything about it.

No, under the old system last year they allowed more choices than three. Remember when they had top five keywords and then main keywords? If you make a change to an old clip then it will require the categories to be reduced to 3. Problem is getting people with thousands of clips to go back and fix keywording. By automatically dropping keywords off to a maximum of 25 would be very bad by dropping good keywords and leaving junk. A real problem indeed. I guess P5 needs to hire a person who does nothing but go through over 200,000 clips and cut individual keywords out that are stupid ... but then they would get complaints on that too.

I don't think that anyone who has violated the rules has any room for complaint. And I think anyone who has deliberately keyword spammed should have their account disabled until they fix every single one of their clips.

I could care less about a few extra words here or there, it could be an accident. No harm no foul, and I can understand that we all have different ideas of what a clip is showing, but the clips that are way way over the limit with key words that obviously don't apply and 5 categories too, it's a slap in the face... It's not fair to what I'm working so hard on this end to accomplish to have people that are above the rules.

Interesting how P5 is curiously absent from this conversation...

I wouldn't worry about them being absent Tom and company are well aware of the problem and its on their to do list.

K.I.S.S. (keep it simple and straightforward):

-25 tags / 3 categories max. should be a rule, not an orientation. New clips are put on hold if they have more, old clips get pushed back in the search results until they are edited, even if they are big sellers and a client searches by the number of downloads (this should be announced let´s say 3 month earlier though and by mail to each artist). I think for the majority of clips 25 tags is really enough. Some could need a few more, but if you start with exceptions you have the same discussion again in half a year.

-a new column in the upload page that displays the total number of tags for each clip and allows us to list clips accordingly would be very helpful.

-to avoid spamming, tags should always stay as close as possible to the descriptive side. I guess in this case video is easier than photo. A clip has to fit into a project and most clients will know what kind of content they need and search directly for it.

Of course, a clip with up to 25 tags can still be keyword spammed and should be put on hold as well, if it´s new. But I think it´s impossible to re-check more than 200K clips by artist AND curators for spamming. Sometimes you just have to make changes on the way and live with the mistakes from the past. All sites have them! The only alternative, like Don said, is a dedicated keyword-curator who goes through the whole gallery and marks all the "bad ones". (He´ll probably soon be the most "beloved" member of the P5 crew. If you get a sitemail from "keyword-curator", you gonna have a pretty bad day :-).

Cheers,
Stefan

I totally agree the spam is bad and my guess is I might have a few words that don't fit, not on purpose. Anytime a template is used bad words slip through. Pushing old clips back in search is a very bad idea if they don't get edited. If the rule never required only 25 words then unfortunately they must be grandfathered not a force re-edit. There is still nothing official about 25 words. The easy way is to have P5 program the keyword block to only allow 25 words and then typing is stopped. manually counting keywords is archaic. Search results should only be affected on poor quality videos and flagrant spamming not just a few words that are questionable. New hard and fast restricted typing blocks is the only way to control it word count limits. Put a block for buyer registrants only that if they encounter a significant error in poor keywording they can flag the clip to curators. The curators can then evaluate and notify the artists that the clip is off line untied with valid words. Let's not as submitters start being police .... unless it's real bad. BUT, it does hurt all of us with poor quality footage and spammed keywords.

-artists not being police is ok
-flagging option for buyers is ok as well
-typing block would be indeed helpful
-search affecting bad clips? Hmmm, officially, bad clips should not have been accepted in the first place, but well...:)

My point is that, if you at least want to clean up somehow the mess from former times, then you would have to bring down the keywords to 25 also for the old clips. I do neither have that many clips in total, nor many above 25 b/c. I always tried to stay below ever since there was talking about the 25 limit on P5. I guess I could correct mine in a day or 2 if I knew which ones. But heavy contributers of course would need much more time. That´s why I said a step like this should be announced a couple of weeks or even months before the pull back in the search actually takes effect.

Cheers,
Stefan

This topic should not be here, it should be in the artist only forum.