Premiere CC, AE CC, PJPEG Render Gamma issue?

Fair enough. I agree that once it's out there, the viewer/buyer/audience will be subject to so many variations you (look/sound/feel) will be totally off-base, like the slide show presented here at a local screening, photos taken by my own photographer Michele, tested on 4 systems, adjusted to the nth degree, beautiful, nice, and then played ion public on a totally maladjusted blown out distorted projector system. Go figure.

However, that is not what I'm talking about. When we shoot something, we white balance and expose for the situation as best we can, right? Some of us check, adjust for, and correct it further, others do not. But each of us makes a decision that "this clip is good" to some extent, and then put it up for sale knowing it's the best or close enough to the best that we can do for that shot. So why would we accept a system that takes our careful work and injects random changes into it, changing it in ways that may or may not be beneficial? (As a side note, some of the clips I checked actually are better in some ways to what I was seeing on screen, but this is likely due to the fact that I check, re-render, and re-check clips until I'm happy with how they look)

The fact that this problem makes some colors brighter and others darker makes it exceptionally frustrating.

But you are right, I should not care whether my carefully preserved highlights are blown out, or that the blue cast I delicately removed is now accentuated or rendered as a slightly greenish hue. But I do. All I have to do is not use PJPEG from After Effects. I'll have to use a different codec until this is resolved.

But that doesn't solve a problem that does exist. This is not a comparison of gamma and color shifts on different playback systems, and this is not really "minor color shifts" as I've looked into it, and really didn't like what I found, and this is not a matter of taste or interpretation - this is an ERROR, whether it is in my part, or in how AE CC and Premiere CC interprets or implements PhotoJPEG (but not other codecs so far)

It may well be an error, but the only way you'll ever be rid of this sort of frustration is to dump electronic media and head back to canvas and paint, or something truly analog. With the digital stuff I fret, I obsess a little too much as well, but after you've done your best there's no more to do. Just let it go.

Fair enough. I've been working with this same error for some time, apparently, and never really noticed it. On that count, I failed myself, actually, but given that I'm not (until now) trying to bonce files back and forth, it's really a non-issue (except for the blown out highlights that are fine if I use h.264 or other)

So I can go on living and working, I suppose (heaves gusty sigh) but for one thing: WHY has not one single person chimed in to say either that they have tried and dis-proven, or tried and written off, or tried and is aghast? The experiment is not hard at all.

It's all I ask: Someone with After Effects or Premiere CC render anything into PJPEG and compare it to that which they rendered from. Or am I really so all alone?

I can see blue and red PhotoJpeg are darker in the video, and green is lighter. There is a different !! Sure..

The comparison you put up makes it even more visible, and to me makes Adobe CC unusable for exporting Photo JPEG for the moment. Admittedly, I don't color correct as much as you do, but I do want my exported clips to look like the ones I prepare in my timeline (be it Premiere or AE).

Note that it's not a perceived difference that occurs from one screen to another. Like Gene says, something in Adobe CC or Quicktime (or a mismatch between the two) changes the colors from whatever file you are exporting. To me, this is pretty significant.

I have now exported clips with a trial version of Sony Vegas. The result was spot on, and the colors looked exactly the same as the original files that I prepared. Although I'd love to start using Adobe CC because of all its other programs, it seems like I won't subscribe in the near future. Not for preparing stock footage at least.

Something came to my mind.

When I play back Quicktime movie, there is always different color between Microsoft Media Player and QuickTime player!! QT is tend to be brighter, more detail than Media player.

Did anyone notice this..

Yes, it is a well know occurrence. I tend to like the darker/richer colors when encoding out for the web using Windows Media Encoder 9. Most of my videos on Vimeo are encoded with WME. http://vimeo.com/channels/3523

So no-one else uses Adobe AE CC or Premiere Pro CC? Really? A thought that occurred to me is that Apple might actually be interested in this, as my understanding of it is that Adobe licenses the codec, right?

Regarding players, I'm liking Daum PotPlayer lately. Plays 4K smoothly somehow. Never did like Quicktime or Windows Media Player. KMPlayer and VLC are pretty cool. At least they agree with each other and my output, so I'm not compensating or second guessing.

Thanks for the posts again guys. None of the material was reviewed using any external players. I compared all the files in Adobe CC (and now Sony Vegas).

I just tried this in AE CC and the shift is very obvious.

I tried it in AE3 (my latest non-CC version), and there is no such shift.

I'm not thrilled that the clips I've been creating using CC are doing this, and I'm disappointed I hadn't noticed before. Thanks!