MJPEG-B not accepted codec any more?

I honestly don't know Luxor. I'm using PP to edit but others here might be more into FCP.

Thanks PerJohan, can't believe I never saw that before!

Different versions would work probably, although it'd be a lot more work (I'd imagine at least) for either Pond5 or the contributor. Unless they can mass convert existing files (which sounds like a hassle).

Multiple uploads of the same clip in different codecs, however, would imo lead to chaos. A buyer then has to search through exactly the same clips to find the right version (unless the contributor would add the codec into the clip name, which doesn't look too fancy). Just imagine jumping from 1 million to 2 or 3 million clips this year, only because everyone starts uploading the same clips with differenct codecs! I doubt that would enhance efficiency for anyone involved..

@Luxor where you are located has absolutely nothing to do with preference of files. It's all about quality, and what you plan to do with the file.

Editing is much more involved that simply making cuts. Color grading, and the ability to incorporate a clip purchased here into a project format IS a priority.

PhotoJPEG which I was using before P5 announced ProRes, is the best codec to transcode in if you have progressive footage, and of of course MJEPG -B was the best for Interlaced HD.

However it's the JPEG that is a problem - obviously as we all know, JPEG is highly compressed - meaning that a ton of information or "bits" are thrown away just like a jpeg in photoshop to give you a decent file size.

PhotoJPEG and MJPEG - were great to use prior to Multicore Processors and advanced NLE's due to the fact that you could drop those clips into almost ANY timeline and work with the footage with out much trouble, on almost any computer.

The demands of h.264 and ProRes are simply too great for older machines and many older NLE's simply will not let you edit h.264 or ProRes natively - which is a huge problem.

So the bottom line is... now that multi-core machines are commonplace, it only makes sense to use the highest quality file output available - that dosen't throw away that need data that is required for hardcore editing and processing.

And the wonderful thing is ProRes files are smaller than PhotoJPEG, and retain absolutely every bit of data.

@AcmieStudios - I understand what you are saying. Surely ProRes 4:2:2 is better quality. I use a Gateway PC with Premier CS4. I have not found yet any piug-in nor stand alone converter for AVCHD to ProRes for windows computers. So, it seems that if, and only if ProRes is now the best selling codec, I am in a disadvantage. All converters I find are for Mac platform. I do not know if Vegas or Grass Valley export to ProRes.

I already have over 700 mov/h.264 clips on P5 which I feel that they could have sold better if they were pjpeg. There are dozens of threads of pro videographers that submit to multiple agencies concluding that MOV/pjpg sells better than MOV/h.264 althought I can see the quality loss from the original h.264 file into Pjpg.

I have uploaded MOV/h.264 files to SS. Result: rejected. The same clip in MOV/Pjpg. Result: accepted.

365 days ago: "There's been a bit of a stigma with H264 because it began as a web format, but we've seen it can create some beautiful broadcast-quality clips. The advantage it has over Pjpeg is the size issue, and therefore the fact you can output 1:1 instead of dropping the quality to 80%. As far as quality goes, they both create high-quality images. People do buy h.264, though our collection on the site is pretty small at the moment." - kennon


What do PC users have to say about ProRes?

Are we all of a sudden thinking that planet Earth is an Apple?

Will this program do the trick?
http://dvfilm.com/raylight/EncoderPro/index.htm

Scott, they are probably reading the forums now and again, it just appears they've decided to no longer interact.

Search through the Avid Media specs and it edits ProRes only in its Mac version. Am I wrong?

I am still not convince that all of a sudden, I have to upload everything in Mov/ProRes and forget about Pjpeg. In every TV editing station that I have visited, I always see either a Dell or Hewlett Packard workstations using Avid Media.

If such is the case that ProRes at this time is only for Macs, I would stay on Pjpep even if I had a MAC since Pjpeg seems to be more universal. This is the humble opinion of an amateur.

I wll wait for an announcement that Avid will support ProRes on their PC products.

This tool may help Windows users. I use the Mac version now and then, especially for critical work because it does NOT use Quicktime to do the conversion (that is another thread/subject), and it gives you many more options for the transcode.

There is a Windows and Linux version available: http://rarevision.com/5dtorgb/

Some people get confused when they land on the page because the only Commercial version available is for the Mac. However... there is a drop-down selector in the pink box for the Windows version.

As always... please read the entire page - and after the download be sure to RTFM! -- :)

Good Luck!

You would think a topic like this would be important to them... but maybe it is just 'hearsay'

If I were still shooting interlaced I'd be uploading mjpeg B until they told me not to.

Why do you think it's hearsay when the updated video requirements page reflects exactly what the discussion pertains to?

Thanks AcmeStudios, I will probably give that tool a go soon.

For now I'll keep uploading Pjpeg as well, just because I know that it will be accepted at other agencies. It does seem like uploading in ProRes has the advantage over the others because it will also be converted into H264. The 'Apple only' argument would then no longer hold.

I'm not convinced that going ProRes now will affect sales instantly though. Just like us contributors, there will be buyers and editors who prefer Pjpeg over ProRes, and vice versa. If ProRes will become the new standard, I honestly don't know.

Hi guys

sorry for the delay in getting to this. We are no longer accepting mJPEG because it is no longer supported by many video players and editors. We began receiving complaints from buyers that they could not open the files, and needed to convert them for many of our buyers to use them at all. Since it's a legacy codec, we're phasing it out in favor of more universal formats.