Premiere CC, AE CC, PJPEG Render Gamma issue?

says it is free for non commercial use, might be something worth trying out and comparing to your real prores.

Not sure what you were doing or maybe what source files you were using. Going from my source (raw fs700 footage) to output (prores 422HQ) I compared the real prores and the miraizon and couldn't see any visual difference, even with banding. Maybe whatever you were doing in FCP had some sharpening to it? There are so many behind the scenes going on half the time with using adobe media encoder vs exporting media vs using different export software.

I'm extremely pleased with the codec and if they still sold lit would recommend for everyone to buy it :-P

It was regardless of source files. Computer generated pattersn, FS700 RAW, AX100 4K, any resolution, regardless ... Could even export patterns and text and see soft edges. Not using FCP. AE and Vegas. Renders from Vegas and renders from AE were the same softy look. I expect my exports to look like what I see on the screen after applying whatever (or none) effect, sharpening or not. I remember you spending time with this a while back and setting up some screen shot high magnification comparison, and I could not tell ... unsure of whether it was that your subject was human ... humans benefit from a little softness. I don't doubt your eye though, so it's not that. I wonder if it's a system thing ... somehow the codec(s) respond differently to different specs and configuration? That would boggle my mind too much.

One thing I never did try was using Media Encoder instead of straight renders out of AE. Just now found out it's no longer installed on my system anyway. This crap totally kills my creative flow and makes me want to smash something. Just gotta remember to set up a couple cams to get the whatever-it-is being smashed ...

Hahaha you aren't a fan of the media encoder?!? I love it. Allows me to continue working while editing and to queue everything up

Hummm, I use Premier Pro CC with imbedded Media Encoder for 99.99% of all my footage. It's fast, responsive, straight forward, easy. I have After Effects but really don't need the bells and whistles. Same goes for the other processors. If I were to make a feature film or multi-clip films then I might venture out and use them again. Oh well ;)

Seldom do I work on clips while others are rendering ... I like to render, then view the finished clip to make sure no issues are present, then move on. Some of the few times I've had batch renders I've had to (or decided to for picky reasons) go in and fix/re-render stuff, which ultimately cost me more time. In the best scenario, I'm tagging a clip while a render takes place ... but rendering separate clips on two machines even screws that process. Having faster machines doesn't help, either. It hasn't been about quantity for me for a while, but gauging by how sales are maybe it should be.

I don't feel investing that much time per clip can be lucrative in the end. I understand wanting to create a pristine customer product, by there comes a point of diminishing returns.

I can go out and shoot 60 clips and if I did what you described it would take me hours to edit them. Right now I can go through 30 clips on about 45 min, in out points, quick brightness contrast hit, sometimes colorista if I screwed up wb, then I queue it up and it takes maybe 3-4 min to export.

That's what my wife said about the eagle when I spent two days on it. But except for that (and a couple other minor exceptions) I do agree, which would make the point of this whole thread moot ... in other words: Who cares? At one point I thought that if I cared the clients would respond by buying more, but it ain't so. OH well....

Scott is right, a minute or two cropping, adjusting and sending into the queue. The real time is travel, shooting, transferring, uploading and keywording, adding data that now takes more time than in years ever before..

agreed Don.

Miz, back to prores (apple/miraizon) vs photo-jpg, one other thing to take note of is that the prores is a 10bit codec. So it might be a tradeoff between the softness and higher bits

Don, in the about sales you said you do all your 4k in prores. Are you running MAC os? or how are you generating your prores?