mulitple formats offered...anytime soon?
orbitrob
7 Sep 2008 16:01
howdy pond5 crew :0),
i'm wondering if pond5 has plans to sell smaller sized (ie. "web-sized") versions of the hi-res files we upload? (like some of the other footage sites out there)...
would mean more affordable options for buyers (ie. for web designers) and greater profits for sellers and for pond5. win-win-win!
curious.
Rob aka orbitrob
i'm wondering if pond5 has plans to sell smaller sized (ie. "web-sized") versions of the hi-res files we upload? (like some of the other footage sites out there)...
would mean more affordable options for buyers (ie. for web designers) and greater profits for sellers and for pond5. win-win-win!
curious.
Rob aka orbitrob
dapoopta
8 Sep 2008 00:07
I think it is a good idea also. Most of the clips I sell on other sites are never Full size... but I do notice I make more money here in the end...so I dunno. If the people want the clip they will pay and resize it I guess.
orbitrob
8 Sep 2008 01:40
hey dapoopta - i checked out your promo video on vimeo - great work!
i might just have to try something like that myself. :0)
i might just have to try something like that myself. :0)
RekindlePhoto
8 Sep 2008 03:04
I have real mixed feeling. The interface, ability to send clips to P5 and corrupt them (like another well known site), outstanding personal customer service from P5 to contributors are all well above the norm ... in fact outstanding.
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So multi-size has been discussed and P5 is moving that direction. I really not totally sold on the idea that we are missing sales because we have only one size. I really hate selling $3 clips on the other place or in fact the $10 size is a slap in the face. I still belive full size high quality and buyers will still buy, heck they can use them over and over and downsize as they need. Now I might be in favor (might) in two sizes, the full quality as submitted and then one step down. For example at 1920x1080 HD and a downsized SD quality. Pricing ... well a few bucks lesss but not a give away. There are sucessful video stock companies that are selling HD clips for $200 and up and selling a good number of them.
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Now I could easily be sold on the idea of HD, SD and PAL formats. I think that might open the doors to lots more European sales.
. A web version for a lot less money .... I think a buyer would be making a mistake too. BUy the full quality version and do what ya'll want with it.
Don
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So multi-size has been discussed and P5 is moving that direction. I really not totally sold on the idea that we are missing sales because we have only one size. I really hate selling $3 clips on the other place or in fact the $10 size is a slap in the face. I still belive full size high quality and buyers will still buy, heck they can use them over and over and downsize as they need. Now I might be in favor (might) in two sizes, the full quality as submitted and then one step down. For example at 1920x1080 HD and a downsized SD quality. Pricing ... well a few bucks lesss but not a give away. There are sucessful video stock companies that are selling HD clips for $200 and up and selling a good number of them.
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Now I could easily be sold on the idea of HD, SD and PAL formats. I think that might open the doors to lots more European sales.
. A web version for a lot less money .... I think a buyer would be making a mistake too. BUy the full quality version and do what ya'll want with it.
Don
BunFest
8 Sep 2008 10:56
I cannot agree more. RF is RF, no need to define web use, small use etc. When it is RM, then price depend on what usage. IMHO
orbitrob
8 Sep 2008 11:46
Hi Don,
I here what you're saying and especially agree that a converter to SD and PAL for European sales would be great.
i still think that there are web designers who are deterred by the HD prices (say in the $50 range), and so I think we may be missing potential profit. maybe i'm wrong....maybe i'm right?!
a good discussion. BTW patuwe97 what is is RF and RM?
Rob aka orbitrob
i do make
I here what you're saying and especially agree that a converter to SD and PAL for European sales would be great.
i still think that there are web designers who are deterred by the HD prices (say in the $50 range), and so I think we may be missing potential profit. maybe i'm wrong....maybe i'm right?!
a good discussion. BTW patuwe97 what is is RF and RM?
Rob aka orbitrob
i do make
RekindlePhoto
8 Sep 2008 14:00
Hummm, now maybe a Licensed or RM for smaller size ..... nope, no way to control still. I think P5 was looking at a percentage reduction in prices for different sizes but artist could over-ride. Maybe a small reduction. HD for $50 and web for $40. Still not worth it, I'd always buy HD full size so I could use it in other projects in the future. Heck $50-$100 is still real cheap for quality HD work.
dnavarrojr
8 Sep 2008 16:57
You do realize that P5 allows you to upload different sizes yourself... right?
You can resize to 640x480, or 320x240 or whatever you want and upload it and set your own price. If you think there is a market for it, by all means, give it a shot. :)
I don't think, however, that P5's target audience is the YouTube market. The low-end/low cost crowd tends to require more hand-holding and are more of a PITA than they are worth in most cases.
When I first started doing web design, the customers that gave me the most grief were the ones that whined about high pricing, so I'd lower my pricing just to get the gig. And they ended up causing me the most trouble with changes, petty complaints, slow to pay their bills, etc... When I stopped dealing with them and only dealt with people who had no issues spending thousands of dollars on a web site, life got much easier.
P5 is better off avoiding the low-cost, don't understand how to use it, crowd. Those are the ones who are gonna fight credit card charges because they don't know how to use a clip they bought. Especially when they pay $3 for a clip, contact the author and demand a 14-page tutorial on how to change a single item from blue to green and then whine about it when they don't get what they want or don't understand what they're told.
You can resize to 640x480, or 320x240 or whatever you want and upload it and set your own price. If you think there is a market for it, by all means, give it a shot. :)
I don't think, however, that P5's target audience is the YouTube market. The low-end/low cost crowd tends to require more hand-holding and are more of a PITA than they are worth in most cases.
When I first started doing web design, the customers that gave me the most grief were the ones that whined about high pricing, so I'd lower my pricing just to get the gig. And they ended up causing me the most trouble with changes, petty complaints, slow to pay their bills, etc... When I stopped dealing with them and only dealt with people who had no issues spending thousands of dollars on a web site, life got much easier.
P5 is better off avoiding the low-cost, don't understand how to use it, crowd. Those are the ones who are gonna fight credit card charges because they don't know how to use a clip they bought. Especially when they pay $3 for a clip, contact the author and demand a 14-page tutorial on how to change a single item from blue to green and then whine about it when they don't get what they want or don't understand what they're told.
orbitrob
8 Sep 2008 20:08
is it my imagination or am i hearing some resistance to this idea?! :0)
that's a good point dnavarrojr - uploading smaller sizes and pricing accordingly is something I hadn't considered. of course i doubt i'll be doing it because...hey..there's only so much time in the day!
sounds like you've had a bad experience or two servicing some cheap dum-dums who want '14-page tutorials' on how to fix their clips!...but i still think the multi-format question is an interesting one because...
any smart web designer (who has an eye for design AND value) may well be able to find a 'web-sized' version of a clip they've seen on Pond5 at another site...because many of us who submit clips here also submit the same clips to the other sites.
so the end result is: we, the artist gets a wimpy 20 to 30% payout of a web-sized sale (at another site) when we could be getting 50% over here at Pond5.
which also begs the question - how do the majority of clips being sold on pond5 get used anyway?
for tv broadcast?
for web?
does anyone know?
that's a good point dnavarrojr - uploading smaller sizes and pricing accordingly is something I hadn't considered. of course i doubt i'll be doing it because...hey..there's only so much time in the day!
sounds like you've had a bad experience or two servicing some cheap dum-dums who want '14-page tutorials' on how to fix their clips!...but i still think the multi-format question is an interesting one because...
any smart web designer (who has an eye for design AND value) may well be able to find a 'web-sized' version of a clip they've seen on Pond5 at another site...because many of us who submit clips here also submit the same clips to the other sites.
so the end result is: we, the artist gets a wimpy 20 to 30% payout of a web-sized sale (at another site) when we could be getting 50% over here at Pond5.
which also begs the question - how do the majority of clips being sold on pond5 get used anyway?
for tv broadcast?
for web?
does anyone know?
dnavarrojr
8 Sep 2008 22:32
I am with you in that I think there is need and demand, but I just don't see P5 as doing much to advertise to/for that type of client. Given that the overwhelming majority of clips on P5 probably never sell (or sell once), but still take up server space, they would probably prefer the highest price per clip in order to make a profit.
Even if they down-sampled for the client, the result wouldn't be nearly as good as an interactive process (not every clip can be run through the same process to down-sample and get good results, it still takes a human eye to fix issues/problems). I don't see a lot of artists saying, "well... I'm willing to sell a 640x480 version of my clip for $10 even though the HD clip is already selling for $99". Since P5 allows artists to set their own prices for what they feel their hard work is for, it's a different market and strategy than the other sites which sell for prices they set.
In fact, some artists have stopped uploading their best work to other sites because they get less for it than they do here where they can set a better price. And if you take a close look at the artist resources, you'll see that customers are not shy about spending money on good work.
If you really want to cater to the online multimedia crowd, I'd suggest some of the Flash related sites that let you sell content and market specifically to that crowd.
Even if they down-sampled for the client, the result wouldn't be nearly as good as an interactive process (not every clip can be run through the same process to down-sample and get good results, it still takes a human eye to fix issues/problems). I don't see a lot of artists saying, "well... I'm willing to sell a 640x480 version of my clip for $10 even though the HD clip is already selling for $99". Since P5 allows artists to set their own prices for what they feel their hard work is for, it's a different market and strategy than the other sites which sell for prices they set.
In fact, some artists have stopped uploading their best work to other sites because they get less for it than they do here where they can set a better price. And if you take a close look at the artist resources, you'll see that customers are not shy about spending money on good work.
If you really want to cater to the online multimedia crowd, I'd suggest some of the Flash related sites that let you sell content and market specifically to that crowd.